[astavrides]

For all of you global warming experts:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245636/Glacier-scientists-says-knew-data-verified.html

The guy makes up his findings and presents it as fact.

The guy who made the original comment that the glaciers had a very high likelyhood of melting by 2035 did not 'make up his findings'  He made a speculation based on his knowledge, that he knew could not pass peer review. 
The other guy who put this speculation in his report seems to be unethical or unscientific in his ignoring of the comments on this part of the report.
Ultimately, the IPCC is responsible for this. 
However, one bad paragraph does not invalidate the 3000 pages of the rest of the report.  Is every report 100% perfect?
Unfortunately, the strong consensus is that man made global warming is a serious problem.
The Daily Mail is a conservative paper.  Here are the accounts of the new york times and the guardian of the incident.
http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2010/01/21/21climatewire-climate-science-panel-apologizes-for-himalay-25267.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jan/20/himalayan-glaciers-melt-claims-false-ipcc

[Sean_A]

This debate always leaves me puzzled.  It seems people hide behind the possibility that man isn't a player in global warming when the real issue is, is there global warming?  If so, is it a problem.  If so, what can we do to reduce the effects of global warming?   

Bringing it back to golf, we still have a ways to go if we are going to be considered "environmentally friendly".  I know supers out there don't want to hear that, but the rep of golf is so poor that it means the industry as a whole will have to go the extra steps.  Otherwise, because golf is an easy target as a luxury activity, if times get really hard, we could find ourselves shut off from the minimal resources needed to keep courses going.  I know some clubs are taking steps right now to become more self sufficient with water and as well as becoming more efficient.  Why, they suspect new laws will eventually come into place whereby water will be severely limited to clubs who can't demonstrate a certain level of conservation with water, and I suspect that also includes wastage in old systems which leak.

Ciao

[Matt Day]

This debate always leaves me puzzled.  It seems people hide behind the possibility that man isn't a player in global warming when the real issue is, is there global warming?  If so, is it a problem.  If so, what can we do to reduce the effects of global warming?   

Bringing it back to golf, we still have a ways to go if we are going to be considered "environmentally friendly".  I know supers out there don't want to hear that, but the rep of golf is so poor that it means the industry as a whole will have to go the extra steps.  Otherwise, because golf is an easy target as a luxury activity, if times get really hard, we could find ourselves shut off from the minimal resources needed to keep courses going.  I know some clubs are taking steps right now to become more self sufficient with water and as well as becoming more efficient.  Why, they suspect new laws will eventually come into place whereby water will be severely limited to clubs who can't demonstrate a certain level of conservation with water, and I suspect that also includes wastage in old systems which leak.

Ciao

Sean
I can only speak from an aussie golf experience, and golf management in Australia is very pro active in the environmental arena. Still a long way to go but leading the pack in many areas, including reduction of water use and finding ways to source water from sources other than potable water.

What it is not good at (myself included) is promoting the fact that this proactive behaviour is happening , and hence it lets itself get a kicking from every green group known to man as soon as things such as water use or habitat removal gets a mention.

When we get queries/concerns raised about what out golf course is doing, we can react via our Environmental Management System (EMS) to provide a number of positives. To me there's a lot of good stories to tell, we just need to do it better.

[Sean_A]

This debate always leaves me puzzled.  It seems people hide behind the possibility that man isn't a player in global warming when the real issue is, is there global warming?  If so, is it a problem.  If so, what can we do to reduce the effects of global warming?   

Bringing it back to golf, we still have a ways to go if we are going to be considered "environmentally friendly".  I know supers out there don't want to hear that, but the rep of golf is so poor that it means the industry as a whole will have to go the extra steps.  Otherwise, because golf is an easy target as a luxury activity, if times get really hard, we could find ourselves shut off from the minimal resources needed to keep courses going.  I know some clubs are taking steps right now to become more self sufficient with water and as well as becoming more efficient.  Why, they suspect new laws will eventually come into place whereby water will be severely limited to clubs who can't demonstrate a certain level of conservation with water, and I suspect that also includes wastage in old systems which leak.

Ciao

Sean
I can only speak from an aussie golf experience, and golf management in Australia is very pro active in the environmental arena. Still a long way to go but leading the pack in many areas, including reduction of water use and finding ways to source water from sources other than potable water.

What it is not good at (myself included) is promoting the fact that this proactive behaviour is happening , and hence it lets itself get a kicking from every green group known to man as soon as things such as water use or habitat removal gets a mention.

When we get queries/concerns raised about what out golf course is doing, we can react via our Environmental Management System (EMS) to provide a number of positives. To me there's a lot of good stories to tell, we just need to do it better.

Matt

For sure you are right, but golf still has a long way to go to improve both its record and yes, its reputation.  Not everything is about facts, perception plays a huge role in these matters.

Ciao

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