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Garland Bayley

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #150 on: April 16, 2010, 05:57:14 PM »
JKM,

Tom explicitly says the club head is the most important. He says he wishes he had a nickel for every time he heard the old saw that the shaft is the engine of the club.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

John Moore II

Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #151 on: April 16, 2010, 06:01:03 PM »
Is there anybody out there with a beautiful set of blades that don't have a single marking on them?  No names. No numbers. No nuthin'. Just metal. I'd pay to get a custom set of those...

No, you can't find a set of those normally, but for the right price, I'll buy you a set of rack clubs and work some magic with fill and such to make them plain. :)


JKM,

Tom explicitly says the club head is the most important. He says he wishes he had a nickel for every time he heard the old saw that the shaft is the engine of the club.

Then he and I can disagree. To me, all three components are basically the same. If you have a poor shaft and a bad grip, I don't care what head you have. Same can be said either way you switch the three around.

Will MacEwen

Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #152 on: April 16, 2010, 06:01:18 PM »
Is there anybody out there with a beautiful set of blades that don't have a single marking on them?  No names. No numbers. No nuthin'. Just metal. I'd pay to get a custom set of those...

There used to be an outfit in LA that had blades like that - they may have had a # on the bottom, but no other markings.

Not sure how to find it on a google search.

Garland Bayley

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #153 on: April 16, 2010, 06:03:46 PM »
JKM,

I take it you don't believe you can do this.

"you can pick any XX-flex, 130-gram shaft with 1 degree of torque ... I bet I can still find a clubhead and build a club that will allow you to experience far better shotmaking results than the club built with your all-time favorite shaft." Tom Wishon, The Right Sticks, pg. 49.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Garland Bayley

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #154 on: April 16, 2010, 06:04:16 PM »
Is there anybody out there with a beautiful set of blades that don't have a single marking on them?  No names. No numbers. No nuthin'. Just metal. I'd pay to get a custom set of those...

There used to be an outfit in LA that had blades like that - they may have had a # on the bottom, but no other markings.

Not sure how to find it on a google search.

KGZ?
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Will MacEwen

Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #155 on: April 16, 2010, 06:05:32 PM »
Is there anybody out there with a beautiful set of blades that don't have a single marking on them?  No names. No numbers. No nuthin'. Just metal. I'd pay to get a custom set of those...

There used to be an outfit in LA that had blades like that - they may have had a # on the bottom, but no other markings.

Not sure how to find it on a google search.

KGZ?


No, way more obscure. 

jonathan_becker

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #156 on: April 16, 2010, 06:07:02 PM »
Is there anybody out there with a beautiful set of blades that don't have a single marking on them?  No names. No numbers. No nuthin'. Just metal. I'd pay to get a custom set of those...

Mine are pretty close.

They do have the # on the bottom, but lead tape has got most of the rest covered.  ;)

John Moore II

Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #157 on: April 16, 2010, 06:09:40 PM »
JKM,

I take it you don't believe you can do this.

"you can pick any XX-flex, 130-gram shaft with 1 degree of torque ... I bet I can still find a clubhead and build a club that will allow you to experience far better shotmaking results than the club built with your all-time favorite shaft." Tom Wishon, The Right Sticks, pg. 49.

No, I do not believe that. You might be able to get someone to hit is a bit straighter, but with that shaft, even I would lose distance.

You could perhaps get that to work in the irons, but there is no way you could do that with a driver, just wouldn't happen.

And I'll be happy to talk the specifics of that with Mr Wishon any day.

Garland Bayley

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #158 on: April 16, 2010, 06:18:46 PM »
JKM,

He used to have his personal email on one of his website that I emailed him with. All I can find now is
contact@wishongolf.com
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Peter Pallotta

Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #159 on: April 16, 2010, 07:46:13 PM »
TM 580 XD, 10.5 degrees, stock stiff shaft
TM Raylor (the early 90s model), 13 degrees, Dynamic Gold S300
Cobra Baffler, 18 degrees, Dynamic Gold S300
Hogan Apex, 3-E, Dynamic Gold S300
Hogan Colonial Sand wedge
Ping Pal 2

Ah, golf season is here....

Pete

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #160 on: April 16, 2010, 07:53:20 PM »
Is there anybody out there with a beautiful set of blades that don't have a single marking on them?  No names. No numbers. No nuthin'. Just metal. I'd pay to get a custom set of those...

Mine are pretty close.

They do have the # on the bottom, but lead tape has got most of the rest covered.  ;)


There is (possibly 'was') a company called California Golf Technologies that made blades with nothing on them save the number on the sole. Ralph Maltby also had a similar set w/no markings, but again, probably long gone. They had a weight port in the back of the head to fine-tune swingweight and numbers on the sole, but that's all.   
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Dan Herrmann

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #161 on: April 16, 2010, 08:02:26 PM »
Ping G10 10.5 driver
Bobby Jones 3/5 wood
Bobby Jones 3/4 hybrid
Titleist AP1 5-PW
Titleist Vokey 50/56 wedges
Yes Callie putter

Right now I'm playing Top Flight Gamer V2 balls.  I honestly can't tell the difference between the Gamer and a Pro V1 (granted, I am a 12 handicapper!)

Garland Bayley

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #162 on: April 16, 2010, 08:07:11 PM »
Ping G10 10.5 driver
Bobby Jones 3/5 wood
Bobby Jones 3/4 hybrid
Titleist AP1 5-PW
Titleist Vokey 50/56 wedges
Yes Callie putter

Right now I'm playing Top Flight Gamer V2 balls.  I honestly can't tell the difference between the Gamer and a Pro V1 (granted, I am a 12 handicapper!)

I'll tell you the difference. The Pro V1 is a copy of the Gamer which used to be known as the Stata Tour Professional, and became the number 1 ball on tour, thereby forcing Titleist to "invent" the Pro V.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

John Moore II

Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #163 on: April 16, 2010, 08:16:55 PM »
Ping G10 10.5 driver
Bobby Jones 3/5 wood
Bobby Jones 3/4 hybrid
Titleist AP1 5-PW
Titleist Vokey 50/56 wedges
Yes Callie putter

Right now I'm playing Top Flight Gamer V2 balls.  I honestly can't tell the difference between the Gamer and a Pro V1 (granted, I am a 12 handicapper!)

I'll tell you the difference. The Pro V1 is a copy of the Gamer which used to be known as the Stata Tour Professional, and became the number 1 ball on tour, thereby forcing Titleist to "invent" the Pro V.


This reminds me, I didn't mention what golf ball I play. TaylorMade TP Red. I play those over Callaway and Titleist because I can pick them up at Target for $25 less than I can get either of the others at on course shops.

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #164 on: April 16, 2010, 08:36:59 PM »

I'll tell you the difference. The Pro V1 is a copy of the Gamer which used to be known as the Stata Tour Professional, and became the number 1 ball on tour, thereby forcing Titleist to "invent" the Pro V.


You're forgetting the two- layer Precept EV spin, which predates the Strata, but still wasn't the first solid core ball. It would be just as easy to say that Top-Flite stole the idea from Bridgestone, changing it just enough(adding one more layer) to avoid a lawsuit. If you're going to say that  a company stole something from a competitor you should at least get your ducks in a row.
You should also know that Callaway's lawsuit against Acushnet isn't looking so good anymore.
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

John Moore II

Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #165 on: April 16, 2010, 08:40:11 PM »

I'll tell you the difference. The Pro V1 is a copy of the Gamer which used to be known as the Stata Tour Professional, and became the number 1 ball on tour, thereby forcing Titleist to "invent" the Pro V.


You're forgetting the two- layer Precept EV spin, which predates the Strata, but still wasn't the first solid core ball. It would be just as easy to say that Top-Flite stole the idea from Bridgestone, changing it just enough(adding one more layer) to avoid a lawsuit. If you're going to say that  a company stole something from a competitor you should at least get your ducks in a row.
You should also know that Callaway's lawsuit against Acushnet isn't looking so good anymore.

I did not know that your final sentence was the case. But it makes sense. Golf balls are all so similar that just about any company could file suit against another and have a semi reasonable case. Oh, but as a side note, I noticed the other day that TaylorMade has released a 5 layer golf ball. Wowsers.  ::)

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #166 on: April 16, 2010, 08:44:47 PM »
........and garland, don't forget that when O'Meara won with the Strata his buddyTiger had Nike make one for him, the Tour Accuracy, which was a Bridgestone creation.

Acushnet came to the party a year or so later, and showed everyone how  to make them.  ;)
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"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Zack Molnar

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #167 on: April 16, 2010, 09:09:12 PM »
Titleist 905R 9.5 Stiff Driver
Titleist 906F 15 degree
TaylorMade Rescue 2FW 16 degree hybrid
Titleist 690CB 3-PW
Titleist Vokey 52/56
Scotty Cameron putter
Titleist Pro V1x ball(even though i probably should just play The Gamer ;))

Sam Morrow

Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #168 on: April 16, 2010, 09:22:28 PM »
I'm sure Scratch would make a blank set. As for my hodgepodge set-up.

Cleveland DST 9 with Diamana Whiteboard Stiff
Callaway Steelhead Plus 4+ with a Harmon Tour Design
18 and 21 Callaway Diablo Edge Tour Hybrids
3, 5-P KZG Forged Blades with old school Tour Flighted Rifles
52 and 58 Cleveland CG15 Wedges
Putter du jour

Garland Bayley

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #169 on: April 17, 2010, 12:01:16 PM »

I'll tell you the difference. The Pro V1 is a copy of the Gamer which used to be known as the Stata Tour Professional, and became the number 1 ball on tour, thereby forcing Titleist to "invent" the Pro V.


You're forgetting the two- layer Precept EV spin, which predates the Strata, but still wasn't the first solid core ball. It would be just as easy to say that Top-Flite stole the idea from Bridgestone, changing it just enough(adding one more layer) to avoid a lawsuit. If you're going to say that  a company stole something from a competitor you should at least get your ducks in a row.
You should also know that Callaway's lawsuit against Acushnet isn't looking so good anymore.


Actually I kinda get my news on this from this website, and last I read here was that Callaway won the patent lawsuit and Titleist was forced to introduce a new ball for 2009. Thanks for the update.
Details on the EV spin?
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #170 on: April 17, 2010, 12:27:00 PM »
Garland,
Further reading is necessary.  ;) You'll find that Callaway lost at the Federal level. Call 1-800-225-8500 to leave an apology for Wally Uihlein

Get on the internets and use the Google to search for "Precept EV Spin", you'll get 87k+ returns. That should be enough info to keep you busy for awhile.
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

JMEvensky

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #171 on: April 17, 2010, 03:29:05 PM »
Is there anybody out there with a beautiful set of blades that don't have a single marking on them?  No names. No numbers. No nuthin'. Just metal. I'd pay to get a custom set of those...

Mizuno did at one time,not certain if they still will.Ballesteros played a set(predecessor to TN-87?) with absolutely nothing on them but a small "SB" stamped on the back.No logo,no number,nothing.

You might have better luck going through Mizuno Japan rather than here.


Ross Tuddenham

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #172 on: April 17, 2010, 04:23:23 PM »
Driver: Ping G10 10.5 Grafalloy pro launch red

3 Wood: Mizuno T-Zoid 15o

Hybrids: Ping G10 18o
            Hogan edge CFT 22o

Irons: TaylorMade 300 series forged 3 - PW

Wedges: TaylorMade Z - TP 56o
              Cleveland CG12 60o

Putter: TaylorMade Ross Marenello sport 2

Garland Bayley

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #173 on: April 17, 2010, 04:39:01 PM »
Garland,
Further reading is necessary.  ;) You'll find that Callaway lost at the Federal level. Call 1-800-225-8500 to leave an apology for Wally Uihlein

Get on the internets and use the Google to search for "Precept EV Spin", you'll get 87k+ returns. That should be enough info to keep you busy for awhile.

I don't need 87k offers to buy golf balls.
I went to the precept website. It claims that Bridgestone was first with the 3 piece, (as oppoposed to 2 piece as you indicated). I suppose that means Top Flite was furst to patent, thereby originally winning the suit against Titleist, but if the Precept website is correct there as prior art.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Jim_Kennedy

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Re: GCAer Equipment
« Reply #174 on: April 17, 2010, 05:04:53 PM »
Garland,
The Precept EV Spin, the ball made famous by Nick Price, was a surlyn covered two-piece ball with a high-spinning core.
You need to get your facts correct.

You were similarly wrong when you made the assertion on the other equipment thread that there is no 'standard' when it comes to iron lofts among similar iron types, and that lie is more consistent in modern clubs than loft.   

A simple search of club specs for tody's #5 iron shows:
Mizuno   has  four   'blade' offerings- all 27 degrees of loft
Titleist   has  three      "         "        "   "      "       "   "
Callaway has  three      "         "        "   "      "       "   "     
Of the  seven 'game improvement' offerings, four by Mizuno, one by Titleist, and two by Callaway =  four of them have 26 degrees of loft and three have 25 degrees of loft in their 5 irons.

Six of Cleveland's seven styles of clubs have #5 irons with 27 degrees of loft, and one 'outlier' with 26.

So sixteen (that's all of them) of the blade irons produced by these companies have the same 27 degrees of loft.
Five of the game improvement clubs have 26 degrees of loft, three have 25, and one has 26. Considering that we know the game improvement clubs have to have stronger lofts because of the way their built, I'd say the numbers were amazingly consistent, and a 'standard' in any reasonable man's book.     

Spalding, the maker/owner of the Strata ball didn't have the money or the market to capitalize on their three-piece creation. It wasn't until well after Callaway bought them that the lawsuit was brought, and if you look at Acushnet's market share of the ball business you'll see why Callaway decided to sue when they did.   

 
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"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon