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Tom_Doak

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Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #25 on: February 25, 2009, 07:40:43 PM »
As follow-up, I guess I am lucky that nobody came in and bought up my domain name, but I never would have thought of it as "luck" for someone not to come in and steal my car because I left it unlocked ... I guess I am just a naive boy now far removed from my New York City birthplace!

btw ... if someone HAD taken the web address I just would have told them to keep it somewhere warm.  No way I'd pay ransom for the domain name.
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Kyle Harris

Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #26 on: February 25, 2009, 07:48:04 PM »
Quote from: Matt Varney on February 25, 2009, 12:04:56 PM
I can't stand pricks and assholes that would secure a domain name for $9 and then try to sell it for $1k+ a week later.  That is pure horseshit and if you make a living doing that and can sleep at night well that is just robbery and people taking advantage of business owners.

I never put any pressure on C&C to work with me that was purely their decision I am qualified to do the job and if they wanted the domains, no problem just pay me for what I have in them being secured for 3 yeras and they are yours.

You would be amazed how many grand plans are announced in the media with press releases and in advance they don't secure their domain names.  Perfect example is a new C&C project down in Tasmania called what?  The Lost Farm take a look and see who owns that domain.

www.thelostfarm.com

I do and I am not a prick so when they are ready its in safe-keeping!

Matt 

How is this any different than buying up cheap real estate before the region becomes popular for development?

One person's pricks and assholes are another person's speculators and visionaries.
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Matt Varney

Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #27 on: February 25, 2009, 08:10:31 PM »
Ronald,

Just for the record I have several domain names

www.dyecourse.com
www.thelostfarm.com
www.albertadunes.com
www.saltcayresort.com
www.thelinkscourse.com
www.thehonorscourse.com

The list goes on and on I have many more just holding on to them.  I mean really guys think about it they cost $9 each per year.  Kyle makes a good point about real estate developers but, the difference with domain name pirates are grabbing them on a renewal or banking them to hold them hostage at a huge premium.  In legal circles its called cyber squatting on domains.

I just want to be fairly compensated for the domain if I have been holding them for 5 years.  If I am given the opportunity to design build a website for the project so be it that is business.

I have talked to Mr. Keiser before he knows who I am have him call me!

Matt
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Jason McNamara

Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #28 on: February 25, 2009, 09:45:16 PM »
Quote from: Kyle Harris on February 25, 2009, 07:48:04 PM
How is this any different than buying up cheap real estate before the region becomes popular for development?

Because with real estate, there's nevertheless an incentive to do something with it.  And the new owner is still paying taxes, maintaining the area, possibly adding utilities/roads, etc.  Some chump puts up a parked page, it's a non-value-add.  (If parked pages serve some useful service to the Net at large, why do they rarely if ever turn up on searches?)

I started a new company recently, and I knew I had a great name for it when I discovered the net-leeches hadn't thought to register it.  The name is wonderfully counter-intuitive (but not!), composed of real English words, and it's less than 10 letters.  I paid my 10 bucks (per relevant domain) for what I need, and it's good.

Tom, glad you got your names back.  I hope you'll thank your registrar for giving you a grace period to reclaim your domains.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #29 on: February 25, 2009, 10:13:58 PM »
The never turn up in searches because no one in their right mind would link to them.

Google scores by the number of sites linked to a site.
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Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #30 on: February 25, 2009, 11:28:09 PM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on February 25, 2009, 07:40:43 PM
As follow-up, I guess I am lucky that nobody came in and bought up my domain name, but I never would have thought of it as "luck" for someone not to come in and steal my car because I left it unlocked ... I guess I am just a naive boy now far removed from my New York City birthplace!

btw ... if someone HAD taken the web address I just would have told them to keep it somewhere warm.  No way I'd pay ransom for the domain name.

After they expire you get a couple weeks to rebuy.
The swoopers can't swoop so fast.
Cheers
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Jason McNamara

Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #31 on: February 26, 2009, 12:22:57 AM »
Quote from: Garland Bayley on February 25, 2009, 10:13:58 PM
The never turn up in searches because no one in their right mind would link to them.

Google scores by the number of sites linked to a site.


Well sure that's correct in a general way, except you don't account for (a) those with several hundred domains that inter-link their own sites, (b) parkers who link with other parkers, and (c) comment spammers.

But that doesn't change the point that such results don't appear because search engines' algorithms typically don't consider them worthy of listing, and we agree on that.
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Mark Pearce

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Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #32 on: February 26, 2009, 03:58:59 AM »
Quote from: Matt Varney on February 25, 2009, 08:10:31 PM
Ronald,

Just for the record I have several domain names

www.dyecourse.com
www.thelostfarm.com
www.albertadunes.com
www.saltcayresort.com
www.thelinkscourse.com
www.thehonorscourse.com

The list goes on and on I have many more just holding on to them.  I mean really guys think about it they cost $9 each per year.  Kyle makes a good point about real estate developers but, the difference with domain name pirates are grabbing them on a renewal or banking them to hold them hostage at a huge premium.  In legal circles its called cyber squatting on domains.

I just want to be fairly compensated for the domain if I have been holding them for 5 years.  If I am given the opportunity to design build a website for the project so be it that is business.

I have talked to Mr. Keiser before he knows who I am have him call me!

Matt
IP lawyers have a name for that.  Cybersquatting.  It's not clever and it's not legal.  End of.
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Craig Sweet

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Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #33 on: February 26, 2009, 08:39:55 AM »
Damn!  Could have held them for ransom...for a signed copy of the Confidential Guide!  ;D
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Dónal Ó Ceallaigh

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Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #34 on: December 16, 2009, 01:17:04 PM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on February 25, 2009, 10:50:57 AM
Thank you to everyone who noticed the problem.  (I guess that some people actually DO look at our web site after all.)

We have been working on a revamp of the web site, and while we were doing so, two of the three domain names expired.  I appreciate the alerts from several posters, so we could renew them before someone swooped in and bought them so they could sell them back to me.

The new web site is still about a month away.  I'll let you know when it's up.

Tom:

The link has been hijacked again!!!

Dónal.
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Ben Sims

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Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #35 on: December 16, 2009, 07:51:29 PM »
Quote from: Tom_Doak on February 25, 2009, 10:50:57 AM
Thank you to everyone who noticed the problem.  (I guess that some people actually DO look at our web site after all.)

We have been working on a revamp of the web site, and while we were doing so, two of the three domain names expired.  I appreciate the alerts from several posters, so we could renew them before someone swooped in and bought them so they could sell them back to me.

The new web site is still about a month away.  I'll let you know when it's up.

I guess I have super secret Apple capabilities, but I am looking at the new site right now.  Some interesting features including...

1) RGD top ten
2) RGD Best holes
3) Lessons learned
4) Pics of folk's kids

It's a cool blend of stuff you don't normally see a golf design company's website put in print.
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Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #36 on: December 16, 2009, 08:31:28 PM »
Ben, the site was not up five hours ago.
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Jaeger Kovich

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Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #37 on: December 16, 2009, 08:44:13 PM »
Love the new website.... works fine on my apple as well... I've played around on just about every architects websites and you definitely get a feel for what the company is all about, and what makes them different. Its nice to read the little blurbs / design concepts that went into each course, rather than the standard list of projects. And of course, the essays are must reads.

Interesting to note how Sebonack doesn't appear on on the top 10 or best holes list... although the disclaimer about building signature holes I guess could explain it... I haven't played the course yet, but from the all the publicity and how highly the course gets rated, I was a little surprised.


If I could change one thing about the website: not a big fan of the scroll feature
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Ben Sims

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Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #38 on: December 16, 2009, 09:00:11 PM »
Quote from: Tommy Williamsen on December 16, 2009, 08:31:28 PM
Ben, the site was not up five hours ago.

Tommy,

I misread the intel brief.  Thanks for the heads up.

Ben
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JC Jones

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Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #39 on: December 16, 2009, 10:52:24 PM »
Great new site.
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I get it, you are mad at the world because you are an adult caddie and few people take you seriously.

Excellent spellers usually lack any vision or common sense.

I know plenty of courses that are in the red, and they are killing it.

Tom_Doak

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Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #40 on: December 17, 2009, 07:21:16 AM »
Quote from: Jaeger Kovich on December 16, 2009, 08:44:13 PM

Interesting to note how Sebonack doesn't appear on on the top 10 or best holes list... although the disclaimer about building signature holes I guess could explain it... I haven't played the course yet, but from the all the publicity and how highly the course gets rated, I was a little surprised.


I'm a little surprised, too, because when we did that poll 18 months ago Sebonack WAS in the top ten. Apparently my associate in charge of the web site decided to editorialize a little bit ... I will be looking into that today.

The site was not quite ready to launch; we are still adding the photos and captions for our courses, and there are a couple of other parts still in the works.  But once the old site disappeared, I thought it was important to get something of our own up there.  It should look even better come January.
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Jud_T

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Re: Tom Doak - Renaissance Golf Design Website
« Reply #41 on: December 17, 2009, 09:35:40 AM »
Tom-

The new site looks awesome! And the "Play it as it lies" essay should be required reading, including for some posters here...
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