You can barely see the green looking through the pine trees. The front section of the green does have pinnable spots even at speeds of 12 which the club likes to keep in the late summer and fall. I happen to love the Five and Dime, but believe that this hole is greater because of its lack of elevation. Very, very few players can reach the Five and Dime, whereas, a low snap hook rocket can even reach. Most players stand on the tee thinking that they can reach and make a birdie or even eagle--interesting recoveries lie ahead for almost every failed attempt. The upper section of the green has quite a bit internal movement, so laying back and hitting to 10 feet is not such an easy play.