[Paul_Turner]

This thread and the comments about NSW make me wonder if there's anything more dangerous, to the preservation of a great course, than a bunch of architects playing it together!

[Brian Phillips]

Paul,

Everyone thought it was a good course but there are a number of us that wonder about the height of the rankings.

Have you played it and if so please give opinion on why it is so great. If not then how can you have an opinion?

[Paul_Turner]

Brian

I haven't played it.  My opinion wasn't specifically about that course.  It was whether course is in much more danger of being redone after a group of architects have toured it together.

[Brian Phillips]

Paul,

That's a great idea.  We can do about half a hole each! 

[Ian Andrew]

Paul,

I loved it far more than most - and I'm really into the restoration end of this business.
But NSW is very much an evolved golf course, what would you preserve it to?
Apperley?

The fact that the course is part of the nature preserve does lock it in, so I don't think you need to worry about big changes ever.

I still think its better than the beating it's taking.
I think there's been too much emphasis on what's there and not enough on what is.
But that's me.

[Scott Warren]

I agree with you, Ian. I hope Brian will get around to finishing his course tour.

[Paul_Turner]

Paul,

That's a great idea.  We can do about half a hole each! 

Brian

That was (almost) the George Crump original method...he was going to have 18 of his mates design each hole!

[Andrew Brown]

I'm in Amsterdam today with Adam Lawrence and Andrew Brown, among others.  They both say hello.

Unfortunately it isn't THIS Andrew Brown. I don't move in your esteemed circles Tom....more's the pity for me I must say.

Regards from the Aussie Norwegian Andrew Brown

[Brian Phillips]

It is from Andrew Brown from TORO

[Andrew Summerell]

This thread and the comments about NSW make me wonder if there's anything more dangerous, to the preservation of a great course, than a bunch of architects playing it together!

If you look at what has happened to Royal Adelaide & Commonwealth over the years - No, there is nothing more dangerous.

[Andrew Summerell]

Obviously, I’m not an architect, but of the 70 (approx) World Top 100 courses I have played, where possible I have always tried to not only play the course, but walk the course on a separate occasion as well.

I’d be interested to know if any of the architects feel they missed any aspects that subtlety may have hidden from them at NSW. Over the years of playing it quite a few times, I have learnt more about it each time I have played it.

[Brian Phillips]

Andrew,

Of course we all have missed something. It is impossible to get a judgment perfect on one visit.  We are all just giving our opinions based on this, no one has to accept but when we as architects play a golf course we analyse the course totally different to a normal golfer.  It's an addiction and our job to analyse.

[Ian Andrew]

Brian had lots of time to analyze the entire golf course because under the Stableford format he was "in pocket" before the 150 yard marker (including the par threes) all day. I guess you could say he managed to play it, and walk it, all at the same time.  

[Brian Phillips]

Says the man who nearly handed me the match after 4 holes...if only I had a short game at RS you would have had a dogs licence.

[Richard Chamberlain]

Sir Robin Hiseman launches one at Metro.

[Richard Chamberlain]

Here is the crew at Kingston Heath after the Saturday round.

[Matt Day]

I'm really disappointed about the shirt colour of Richard Chamberlain, boring beige

[Kari Haug]

Hi All (nice to hear from you Neil!)
Good thread.  I just want to correct one thing that I think Brian misunderstood.  I don't think it was a fault that NSW plays better to a draw, I actually think it was rather ingenious if it was intended.  A low draw plays better into the wind than a ballooning slice and most holes along the coast are the gentle dogleg right-to-left (holes 13, 14, and 16.) 

Assuming the architect took into account prevailing wind which is from the southwest on sailing maps, and I assume he did, these holes are oriented nicely in the routing along the coast.  Holes 5 and 6 could also play well with a low draw or knock down (I am not talking hook or pull here.)  Maybe this is what Appleby is doing right this week and the others are not.  See link to article on the Australian Open below.  By the way, it was a joy to play with you, Brian at Royal Melbourne.  Hope to see you in St. Andrews this spring!  Kari

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/golf/play-lost-as-wind-fires-up-fast-greens-20091204-kb1m.html

[Kari Haug]

Clarification:  Actually, the prevailing wind on the map I consulted was mostly from the south at this point along the coast.

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