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Jud_T

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San Diego Golf
« on: November 18, 2009, 03:28:57 PM »
the LA topic led me to this.  We visit San Diego regularly and as far as I can tell short of driving up to LA there is very little good golf to be had.  The only course within an hour's drive I've found that I'm looking forward to playing again is Barona Creek.  I've played Torrey, Aviara, La Costa, The Crossings, to name a few and found them all to be overpriced and/or underwhelming.  I'm desperately looking for suggestions, public and/or private.....
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Pete Lavallee

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2009, 03:31:23 PM »
This question is asked so frequently I compiled a list:

Where to play in San Diego?


Resorts:

Barona Creek     619-387-7018
     This is the must play course in the San Diego area. Just a 30 minute drive from downtown, Todd Eckenrode’s creation in Wild Cat Canyon offers a thrill for every class of golfer. The course features strategic bunkering, scattered at different distances, through the wide fairways. Firm and fast conditions put a premium on attacking from the correct angles to the highly contoured greens. Hotel and Casino on site.

Torrey Pines     (reservations) 619-570-1234
     South:  The host for the 2008 US Open is set up as a test of the modern game. Even from the white tees (6,880) this course plays long. Rees improved the 3 holes he moved to the canyon’s edge (3, 4&14) but 18 double plateau greens are a bit repetitive. Green conditions now finally justify the $160-$200 rate.
     North: The proposed redesign has been postponed, here’s your chance to play what could be William Francis Bell’s best work. Better use of terrain, nicely contoured set of pushup greens, surely the more scenic of the two courses.
     Golfers can show up as early as they want to line up for the morning’s first hour of tee times (cars line up in the parking lot on weekends, during the week you place your golf bag in line in front of the starters booth on the balcony); singles stand a decent chance of getting off through the waiting list in the afternoon.

Carlton Oaks     619-448-4500
     This Perry Dye redesign has all the “dye-abolical” trademarks: waste areas, pot bunkers, bulk headed water hazards and many greens that slope away in the back. At 7,225 75.2/146from the tips it’s definitely the second toughest layout in the County. Lots of fun from the blue or white tees though. Hotel on site.

Del Mar National     858-792-6200
     The only Fazio course in San Diego County; All golfers really want is a thrill; this course comes up short here. Very playable and takes a great picture, but the tea cups at Disney Land are more exciting than this place. Must stay at the Resort to play here now.

La Costa     760-438-9111
     Fans of Dick Wilson will enjoy the artistry of the bunkering on the original tournament course. The bad news is it has been split into the South, with 9 holes shoehorned in by Wilson and the North with its’ additional 9 holes on ample ground with good movement across the street, done by Joe Lee. Unfortunately neither nines are a match for the original work. Sometimes the Resort will let the first group off the North actually play the tournament course, so long as they can beat the first group off the South to the back 9.

Sycuan formerly Singing Hills     800-457-5568
     Three courses at this resort built in 1956. Of the two regulation courses Willow and Oak Glen, Willow is more challanging with many greens angled from 7 to 1 o'clock. Also has an 18 hole par 3 course Pine Glen. A good example of the decent courses Ted Robinson did before he went to the dark side. The infusion of money from the Sycuan Indain tribe has elevated conditioning. Inn on site, casino 2 miles down the road.

Warner Springs Ranch     760-782-4270
     High desert course is both scenic and challenging. The remote atmosphere makes this course special; resort rooms have no TV or phones! Little over an hour from downtown but very close to Barona.

San Vicente GC     760-789-3477
     About a ten minute drive further north than Barona, this is a pleasant mountain layout from Ted Robison's "early period"; not a waterscape in sight here. Inn on site also.


Municipal:

Coronado     619-435-3121
     Jack Daray designed San Diego’s “Hidden Gem”, built on fill dredged from the harbor in the 50’s, it has 4 holes that play along Glorietta Bay, subtle doglegs test driving ability, the pushup greens punish poor iron play, wind is often a factor. At $30 on weekdays and $35 on weekends for everyone, it’s the best deal in town; hard to get on due to its popularity.

Balboa Park     (reservations)  619-570-1234
     Built in 1918 by William Park Bell, this short (6,281) trip out through the canyons and back across the mesa has remained a tough track to score on. Sam Snead’s course record 60, shot here while in the Navy in WWII, still stands. Views of downtown and the Coronado Islands, walkups should have no trouble playing here.

Encinitas Ranch     760-944-1936
     Located ten minutes north of Torrey Pines and five minutes south of Legoland this is an enjoyable and reasonably priced daily fee course. Wide open front nine is complemented by the canyons on the back. Built on the site of a former flower ranch, conditions are usually good.

CCFAD’s:

Maderas CC     858-451-8100
     Built on a hilly site this course promises the thrilling downhill holes off the bat, the key here is how much fun the uphill holes are. Neal Meagher’s perfect mix off unique green sites are worth the price of admission alone. Soon to go private when enough memberships are sold.


Salt Creek, formerly The Auld Course     619-482-4666
     Although built to sell houses you would find it hard to hit one from the golf course. Die hard walkers beware, you must ride here. Cary Bickler and John Cook have crafted some fine holes here, well worth a look if you’re in the South Bay area.

Privates:

Rancho Santa Fe CC
     Don’t pass up an opportunity to play here. Max Behr’s 1929 layout got the highest Doak rating in San Diego County (5). Guests of the Rancho Santa Fe Inn can play weekdays after noon with carts and a fore caddy; $$$$.


La Jolla CC
     Canyon golf at its best from William Park Bell, built in 1927.

San Diego CC
     Another William Park Bell layout with several barrancas was built in 1921. The redesigned greens seem unsympathetic to the Bell style.
Tijuana CC
     The course claims a MacKenzie heritage, but it sure looks like a William Park Bell to me; possibly during his relationship with Tillinghast. Close enough to the border to take the trolley down and hop in a cab for the short journey to the golf course; public access allowed.

Pauma Valley
     The only Robert Trent Jones course in San Diego County is in the high desert just past Barona; once rated within the top 20 in Ca.

Military:

Marine Memorial   GC, Camp Pendleton     760-725-4704
     Set within the expansive Marine base this course by William Francis Bell occupies a peaceful and secluded river valley 50 minutes from downtown. Somewhat shaggy conditioning here doesn’t detract from the enjoyment. Open to the public during the week now.

Miramar, Memorial GC     858-577-4155
     Jack Daray shows how to turn a flat parcel of land into an interesting golf course at the old Top Gun base. Now a Marine Corp Air Station it has some of the best conditioned greens in the County; wind and FA-18’s are always a factor here.

Sea & Air GC     619-545-9659
      Located on North Island Naval Air Station it is a tale of two nines, the front has recently been redesigned to eliminate the many safety issues that the original routing caused. The back nine’s holes are wonderfully separated with 3 playing along the sand dunes right along the beach. The runway splits the back nine and you’ll have an opportunity to see many types of Military Aircraft practicing their touch and goes.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2009, 06:24:43 PM by Pete Lavallee »
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Alex Miller

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2009, 03:37:22 PM »
I would say go for La Jolla GC if you can.

Maderas is OK, but maybe not the best option.

I've also played the Grand Del Mar, nice course but way overpriced.

I personally did not enjoy Carlton Oaks, but it still had some quality golf holes.


I would also say that compared to L.A., the S.D. golf is much better for the price, at least in terms of what's out there. L.A. has very few public options that are quality golf courses, but there's a few tracks around S.D. I would pay for. I got to play the Crossings for 45$ and that was definitely worth it to me.

PM me if you would like another for when you're in town.

Jud_T

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2009, 03:48:57 PM »
Thanx guys... :)
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

David Stamm

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2009, 04:01:21 PM »
Jud, I'm going to have to disagree w/ Alex's comments. San Diego has much less attractive public options than LA. Aside from Barona, Coronado and Torrey, there is not much else. To coin a Jon Spaulding phrase, The Crossings is an abortion. Horrible and way, way overpriced. Maderas, The Grand and Aviara are all way overpriced CCFAD facilites with very little meat. If you haven't seen Barona, that is the best in the city. about 20 mins north of Oceanside, San Clemente Muni is a decent, pleasant, well priced option that will not offend. about an hour north, Goose Creek in Mira Loma is a good option. And I like Fallbrook. The back nine is very neat and quirky.


I find that between Rustic Canyon, Rec Park and Santa Anita, and then Soule Park in Ojai, they far outweigh any options here in SD.
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Jud_T

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2009, 04:06:43 PM »
David,

I'm definitely with you on the Crossings.  The fact that it got a "Best new public" nod from one of the rags is rediculous...When you look up "Shoehorning a course onto a piece of property without enough useable grade land" in the dictionary, a picture of this place comes up...Played it on a windy day with my 10 year old, wife and a buddy and the kid was the only one who could keep a ball on the property.... :'(
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Alex Miller

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2009, 04:38:41 PM »
Guys I didn't think the Crossings was a great course but was OK for the price I got it at.  It definitely is routed weird just to stay on the property. I remember you have to drive down the length of one hole just to play it. I actually enjoyed the last 6 hoes very much with the exception of 18s green which is crazy if you ever play it,  the pin was over on thet right finger. I grew up near LA and my perspective may be slightly skewed as I happened to only have 1 good public option within a half hour of where I lived. You may have heard of it Los Verdes Golf Course. The second most played course in the US. Lucky me and my 6 hour rounds!

Anyway enjoy San Diego as it's always 60 and sunny!

Ryan Admussen

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2009, 06:17:33 PM »
Great thread, heading to San Diego over Christmas holidays, Playing Torrey Pines(I know I know but I couldn't help myself) I'm debating playing all my other 3 rounds at Barona, would I miss anything wothwhile by doing that?

David Stamm

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2009, 06:29:29 PM »
Great thread, heading to San Diego over Christmas holidays, Playing Torrey Pines(I know I know but I couldn't help myself) I'm debating playing all my other 3 rounds at Barona, would I miss anything wothwhile by doing that?

If you can access Rancho Satna Fe or Pauma Valley, then no. Otherwise, why not.
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Alex Miller

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2009, 06:49:00 PM »
I also enjoyed Vista Valley CC when I played it. It's a Ted Robinson design and although it gets narrow in places, it's worth checking out.

Michael Dugger

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2009, 11:33:41 PM »
Has anyone ventured north to journey at pechanga?

Curious to hear thoughts...
What does it matter if the poor player can putt all the way from tee to green, provided that he has to zigzag so frequently that he takes six or seven putts to reach it?     --Alistair Mackenzie--

Steve Kupfer

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2009, 11:39:58 PM »
I would seriously consider doing whatever is necessary to get on to Rancho Santa Fe GC.  You'll be hard pressed to find better shot and hole variety.

Ryan Admussen

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2009, 12:17:24 AM »
I would seriously consider doing whatever is necessary to get on to Rancho Santa Fe GC.  You'll be hard pressed to find better shot and hole variety.
sounds good, now who wants to take me?

Jud_T

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2009, 09:08:40 AM »
ryan,

based on my experience, i'd cancel Torrey and play all 4 rounds at Barona (and you'll have beer money to spare!)  8)
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

Bill_McBride

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2009, 09:13:11 AM »
A round at Balboa Park with Pete would be an E ticket.   ;D

Stan Dodd

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #15 on: November 19, 2009, 10:17:15 AM »
I've just moved back to San Clemente and David's advice is right on cheap, great views and some good, but not great Billy Bell golf.
let me know if you are in the area. cheers
Stan

jonathan_becker

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #16 on: November 19, 2009, 10:23:15 AM »
Jud,

You said a lot of the courses are overpriced and/or underwhelming in San Diego.  Well, I would throw Maderas in that category.  Barona would be my top pick. 

You did say private was an option as well.  So, why not try to get on Stone Eagle in Palm Desert?  It only 90 minutes away.

Brent Hutto

Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #17 on: November 19, 2009, 10:41:35 AM »
JSo, why not try to get on Stone Eagle in Palm Desert?  It only 90 minutes away.

Really, 90 minutes? Not 2+ hours?

Jud_T

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #18 on: November 19, 2009, 10:44:18 AM »
jonathan, if i widen the circle to 2+ hours that also brings in all the LA tracks, I was thinking <1 hour....
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

jonathan_becker

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #19 on: November 19, 2009, 10:44:51 AM »
Brent,

We took the Pines to Palms highway from Carlsbad (ok....not San Diego).  From there it was 90 minutes no problem.  Stone Eagle is pretty much the first place in town on the left.

jonathan_becker

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #20 on: November 19, 2009, 10:46:25 AM »
Jud,

If less than an hour is required, you can forget Stone Eagle.  But, it's your loss!  ;D

Jud_T

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #21 on: November 19, 2009, 10:49:20 AM »
I'm dying to play it, but I also plan on staying married!
Golf is a game. We play it. Somewhere along the way we took the fun out of it and charged a premium to be punished.- - Ron Sirak

jonathan_becker

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2009, 10:57:00 AM »
I'm dying to play it, but I also plan on staying married!

Sorry to hear that.  :D ;D

Patrick Kiser

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2009, 11:10:32 AM »
And I like Fallbrook. The back nine is very neat and quirky.



David,

Next time you're out there, can you please bust out your chainsaw?   ;D

I can't think off the top of my head of a course more in need of some SERIOUS tree management.  I mean ... what's going on there with the canopy tree blocking the 11th.   ::)



Pete,

I've seen some really good deals go right now for Salt Creek.  Might have to try that over the turkey holiday.  Thanks for the tip.

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absolutely prohibit the recovery shot, perhaps
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Reef Wilson

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Re: San Diego Golf
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2009, 01:41:10 PM »
Golf Club of California in Fallbrook is now allowing outside play for a pretty competitive price. Nothing too special, but some fun holes including a bunker in the middle of a green on 7(?), interesting greens and it was in great shape and not crowded. Pretty walkable except for a couple of spots. I think they would benefit from a new name more than anything else.

I stay in Oceanside when I am down there and this will be my go to course for a while when I am down there.
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