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Kirk Gill

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Re: How difficult shall we make our golf-courses?
« Reply #75 on: November 25, 2009, 10:34:59 AM »
He speaks with disdain about the notion of maintaining an entire course as fairway.........what would Emmet have thought of Augusta National? It opened one year before his death, so one wonders if he ever saw it.....Or was Augusta maintained without rough when it first opened?
"After all, we're not communists."
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Kirk Gill

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Re: How difficult shall we make our golf-courses?
« Reply #76 on: November 25, 2009, 11:42:24 AM »
Before making that last post, I was looking on the web for the year that Emmet died. In doing this, the following article came up, discussing Emmet's response to the USGA making golf course architects golf professionals. I found his response interesting, and also the inclusion in the article of a response by an unnamed member of the "Old Guard." One wonders who that person might be. Could it have been Whigham? Anyway, here's a link to the .pdf of the NY Time article from Feb 25, 1917:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?_r=1&res=9C05E4DD123BEE3ABC4D51DFB466838C609EDE
"After all, we're not communists."
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Patrick_Mucci

Re: How difficult shall we make our golf-courses?
« Reply #77 on: November 25, 2009, 09:08:57 PM »
That was the title of the article written by this American, and began this way:

"We have arrived at a point in the development of the game of golf in America when the above very serious question arises. Shall we, in deference to the fact that the majority of the members of our clubs are mediocre players, call a halt in the development of our links, or shall we proceed to make our courses real golf-courses, and then learn to play real golf on them?"

When was this written and by whom?

Tom,

How do you reconcile this quote with the design and construction of the "original" Hollywood ?
Probably one of the most penal golf courses ever built.
From photos it seems far more penal than Pine Valley in it's original form.

Adam Clayman

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Re: How difficult shall we make our golf-courses?
« Reply #78 on: November 26, 2009, 11:44:51 AM »

And if we are serious about actually figuring this stuff out,

 Behind the meat of the potato lies Aerial golf shots.

It seems highly likely that's what was meant by "real golf".

After all, advocates for the loss of wide open ground, complete with rough, took away all the potential creativity that natural movement allows the golfer to utilize.

For me, this "wrong turn at Lungfish" has only identified the best golfer on softened courses. (dart throwers) And thrown under the bus the golfers that consider creative fun a big part of the challenge inherit in the sport.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Patrick_Mucci

Re: How difficult shall we make our golf-courses? New
« Reply #79 on: November 26, 2009, 11:53:36 AM »

And if we are serious about actually figuring this stuff out,

Behind the meat of the potato lies Aerial golf shots.

It seems highly likely that's what was meant by "real golf".


Sean, much as many want to deny it, I think that's always been true.

Carry distance is one of the essences of golf.

« Last Edit: November 26, 2009, 02:11:23 PM by Patrick_Mucci »

Adam Clayman

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Re: How difficult shall we make our golf-courses?
« Reply #80 on: November 26, 2009, 12:02:50 PM »
I'm sure that was their excuse too. But, even when playing fun shots, on a golf course full of freedom, the essence is still the carry distance along with varied trajectories.Using the ground to get to where you want to end up

The maximization of carry distance (all the way to the hole (or beyond) takes the essence to the extreme. Since golf teaches us about balance, the extreme carry distance need only be visited when the conditions allow for them. Not all the time the way most courses are expected to be presented on a daily basis. Shinnecock '04 proved the majority of boys couldn't adapt to the firmness because their games were not well balanced to handle the extreme on the other side of the spectrum.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

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