Has Shivas seen Scotty Cameron's new ball marker?

[Jim Franklin]

I don't have a picture of it, but it is basically square with a ball sized diameter cut out on one side. On that side are lines with one big one and a few going out at angles. All are used to line up your ball on the green with your putting line. So you can rotate the ball marker around the ball to get your line and then reposition your ball to match the lines on the marker. How are you doin? If someone can post a picture that would be great, but it is the Cheater Line X 10. 

[JohnV]

Jim,

It isn't new.  It was discussed here about a year ago as I recall.  Here is a link to an article on pgatour.com:  http://www.pgatour.com/2008/r/08/12/cameron.ballmark/index.html from August of 2008.

By the way, the decision that Shivas hates so much as been reworded for 2010 to now include a line drawn on the ball by the player.

Decision 20-3a/2:
Q: May a player draw a line on his ball and, when replacing his ball, position the ball so that the line or the trademark on the ball is aimed to indicate the line of play?
A: Yes

[DMoriarty]

I have a new ball marker as well, but I think I may borrow a few features from Scotty.   Here is mine before the 1.0 version of mine, which I will update soon.



It not only helps me line up the putt, it helps me read the break as well.  

[Jud_T]

next decision is to legalize these:

[DMoriarty]

Here it is, the iputt (tm)



I also have the iputtX (tm) Which also has a level to calculate slope, so I can better gauge the speed. 

Not sure why these should be illegal if that marker is legal.

[Jim_Kennedy]

By the way, the decision that Shivas hates so much as been reworded for 2010 to now include a line drawn on the ball by the player.

Decision 20-3a/2:
Q: May a player draw a line on his ball and, when replacing his ball, position the ball so that the line or the trademark on the ball is aimed to indicate the line of play?
A: Yes

Allright, but you don't believe that will settle it for shivas, do you. 

[Steve_ Shaffer]

This is not legal:

http://www.practicerange.com/Breakmaster-Putting-Green-Reader-P305.aspx

[JohnV]

By the way, the decision that Shivas hates so much as been reworded for 2010 to now include a line drawn on the ball by the player.

Decision 20-3a/2:
Q: May a player draw a line on his ball and, when replacing his ball, position the ball so that the line or the trademark on the ball is aimed to indicate the line of play?
A: Yes

Allright, but you don't believe that will settle it for shivas, do you. 

Of course.  He has to give in now doesn't he.

[Jim Franklin]

Thanks John and Dave. I can hear Shivas' world crumbling as I type. The lawyer in him will not give up though.

[Jim_Kennedy]

Jim,
I can hear him now, ........."but the wording of the rule itself hasn't changed blahblahblahblahblahadinfinitum".

[JSPayne]

This is not legal:

http://www.practicerange.com/Breakmaster-Putting-Green-Reader-P305.aspx

I chuckled at this from the website:

"What the Pros and Pro Caddies are saying about the Breakmaster Digital Green Reader:

"It takes me about three hours to map out all the greens, but I figure that it saves me at least one stroke per weekend."
Notah Begay III
PGA Tour Player"

[Rich Goodale]

Seve relies on the cheater line now.  It's the only way he can get a line on a putt now that he has lsot 75% of the vision in his left eye.  Good to know that he is within the rules.

[Niall C]

next decision is to legalize these:

I can't believe there going to legalise those outfits, especially the guy holding camera. Where's the fashion police when you need them ?

Niall

[jeffwarne]

This is not legal:

http://www.practicerange.com/Breakmaster-Putting-Green-Reader-P305.aspx

I chuckled at this from the website:

"What the Pros and Pro Caddies are saying about the Breakmaster Digital Green Reader:

"It takes me about three hours to map out all the greens, but I figure that it saves me at least one stroke per weekend."
Notah Begay III
PGA Tour Player"

and that is why practice rounds are miserably paced
I wasn't aware Notah played much on the weekends though:o

I love the quote on the website from the guy who mapped the greens with the pins already marked for the next day's event.
Isn't golf supposed to be an honorable game?

[Jim_Kennedy]

If you think about the surface of a green and the size of this device, then think about what this 'tool' supposedly measures, it should register in your brain pan as just another piece of cleverly disguised useless crap. 

[Bill_McBride]

Last week I played a singles match against one of my buddies who trotted out this thing.

He has always been fussy with the cheater line, I just look the other way and maybe whistle a little.

Last week he was SO MUCH SLOWER with that fricking thing I thought I was going to die.

He keeps it in a little yellow coin purse - I am not making this up.

He marks his ball with a coin and then puts down the Scotty Cameron ball marker and carefully, very carefully lines up the putt.

Then he replaces the ball, carefully, very carefully lining up the cheater line with the SC cheater ball marker.

Then he removes the SC cheater ball marker and puts it back in the coin purse.  First he has to find the coin purse.

Then he stands over the putt and finally, at last, strokes the putt.

He's always been a good putter so he makes a good percentage of them inside 10 feet.

This went on for 18 holes.  A four hour and 20 minute two ball with no one in front of us.

My question is this:

If I beat him to death with my putter, is there a jury in the land that would convict me?

[Carl Nichols]

A four hour and 20 minute two ball with no one in front of us.

It doesn't really matter how you get to that time, it's preposterously slow for a two-ball that's never waiting.

[Bill_McBride]

A four hour and 20 minute two ball with no one in front of us.

It doesn't really matter how you get to that time, it's preposterously slow for a two-ball that's never waiting.

No kidding.  Read my tale again for some clues.   

[Rick Shefchik]

This will truly kill golf. Time for the USGA to ban alignment markings, including logos, from golf balls. I would mandate that Titleist and all the other manufacturers come up with some kind of round logo for their balls. Something like this...


           T
       T      I
    S            T
       I       L
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[Dean Stokes]

By the way, the decision that Shivas hates so much as been reworded for 2010 to now include a line drawn on the ball by the player.

Decision 20-3a/2:
Q: May a player draw a line on his ball and, when replacing his ball, position the ball so that the line or the trademark on the ball is aimed to indicate the line of play?
A: Yes

Well, from a technical standpoint, that decision settles it.  The cheater line is officially legal and I can't penalize a guy for using it now.  Now, it is merely pathetic, evil, disgusting, dastardly, lazy, and immoral.

ditto the long putter.

[Dean Stokes]

Shivas I have no intention of getting into a 14 page thread on this topic - there has been enough of those. I just fancied a little laugh over lunch.

You obviously 'NEED' the long putter and therefore will continue to be a proponent of it's use. Good luck with the anchoring to your body technique in order to take away skill!!!!!