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Quaker Ridge GC (Tillinghast) in Scarsdale, NY
Jaeger Kovich:
--- Quote from: Patrick_Mucci on October 31, 2009, 06:45:39 AM ---Irrespective of the author, or authors, is it possible that Quaker Ridge was altered to mirror Winged Foot and Fenway ?
Winged Foot was crafted in 1923.
Fenway, just down the street in 1924
According to C&W, Quaker Ridge orginated in 1915, but had 9 holes redesigned and 9 holes added in 1926.
Does anyone who has played QR, WFW, WFE and F think that the architecture at QR departs from the architecture of the other three courses, or, that there's a continuity of design, so much so that the holes could be exchanged and interspersed and noone would know the difference ?
In other words, what's more accurate, the product in the ground or the newspaper and printed accounts ?
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Pat - As far as those 4 golf courses go, NO, in general I do not see a continuity of design. I think there are a few examples of specific holes where you can see this (ex. WFW #15 and QR #15). In my opinion the WF courses play much different than QR. WF requires genius ball striking with the long irons to hold the pushed-up green complexes, and of course a bigger challenge comes from the size of the contours in the greens there. QR is more about the placement of the drive, finding the right angle off the tee, and your second shot becomes much easier. QR's green complexes appear much more "natural", but are certainly no easy test. Fenway, I am not quite as familiar with (only been there once) but as I remember, the holes there seem to resemble QR a little more than WF.
I think the routing of QR may be the most important factor here, and the reason why hole by hole it definitely resembles a good number of Tilly courses, but as an overall piece of architecture, it remains so different... (and special!)
Steve_ Shaffer:
My post #27 above clearly states that Tillinghast's 18 hole course opened in 1918:
The Metropolitan Golf Links was beset by financial problems,however. Baird and Hipwell underestimated the costs and consequently,on December 19,1915,a small successor group of former Quaker Ridge country Club members formed, and chaired by Otto Elsass. At a meeting held in the Hotel Majestic on January 5,1916,the Quaker Ridge Golf Club was founded with 28 original members. Most notable of these was William Rice Hochster,who was added to the organizational committee at this time. The new group purchased the Quaker Ridge Country Club's lease on Febrauary 18, 1916, and legally incorporated on February 21, by this time boasting 92 members. Encouraged by positive recommendations from the leading architect A.W. Tillinghast and Baltusrol professional George Low, they quickly purchased the land they were leasing from Bradford Rhodes for the sum of $175,000.00. Tillinghast then proceeded build 11 new golf holes,while at the same time radically revising seven of the old holes. The new 18 hole course opened for play on June1, 1918, and is now generally regarded as a Tillinghast "original." For several years the course played to a par of 70 at 6173 yards.
When the time came in 1924 for a major revision of the course, Hochster was there to carry out Tillinghast's plans. He lived in a house just to the right of the first green. That change came after the club purchased 28 acres from Martha LaFurgy for $35,000.00. The changes that Tillinghast recommended and Hochster implemented in 1924 brought the course into basically its present configuration. Four new holes(3,4,1213) were built at that time,and two others altered-the first green was moved from behind the fairway bunker, and the second,originally the third, was given its dogleg. At the same time, four holes were abandoned. The old second hole was a short par3 near the tennis facility that played to a punchbowl green. The fourth at that thime played from behind the 14th tee over the 13th green,to the present fourth green,directly over the "pit" to the left of that green today, but which in those days extended completely across the "front" of the green. The old 12th hole was was a par3 to the right of the present 11th green,playing over a creek. And the 13th then was a short par4 that made a sharp turn to the right near its green,which was situated out in front of today's 14th tee.
The above is from an article in Met Golfer that was sent to me by the MGA historian a few years ago. I'm trying to contact him again to find out who wrote the article.
Jaeger Kovich:
Steve - If 13 was a short par 4, who designed the par 3 Reef hole?
Rick Wolffe:
Here is the construction cost report thru Jan 1, 1918...hmm...wonder what was in "Services of Experts" line?
JMEvensky:
--- Quote from: TEPaul on October 31, 2009, 09:10:27 PM ---
Hey look, Patricio, if I was honest I'd probably have to admit I'm an atheist, but if I called myslelf an Episcopalian which I guess I'm supposed to be, what do you think the changes are I could join some of these Jewish clubs you've been joining as a Catholic? If you convert from Catholic to Judaism, I'll convert from atheism or Episcopalianism to Judaism. Do we have a deal?
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At your ages,you're REALLY not going to like the bris.
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