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Quaker Ridge GC (Tillinghast) in Scarsdale, NY
Phil_the_Author:
Tom,
I look forward to seeing what you've "discovered"...
Michael J. Moss:
Phil,
I have no idea what their Club history is based upon. One would hope they have documentation. I am a Sunningdale member and for years our senior members thought our golf course was designed by AW Tillinghast. In fact, he was the third architect of note on the property. It was originally a Raynor design (1918) followed closesly by Travis. Tillinghast made fewer changes thanTravis, but the Club latched onto the Tillinghast aspect of the narrative.
But if QR bought the new land in 1925, how do you account for all the changes made post 1926, suggested by Dan Wexler? Hopefully Tom will shed some light. It does sound like the QR web site has the wrong story, and I predict the answer will reveal that the course we play and admire today is far less of a Tillinhast design than we thought.
Phil_the_Author:
Michael,
That they unequivocably state that they bought the new land must have SOME basis in fact and documentation as I strongly doubt that someone pulled the date out of thin air. Likewise as the statement that Tilly was brought in by them to do the work, a fact that C&W accept in their compilation of his work.
As for Daniel's claims about changes to the course, he doesn't list actual dates for the alterations that he cites, nor does he name anyone as the person responsible for them.
The club defintively states that Tilly redesigned 7 holes and designed 11 new ones in 1917 and that he did a redesign after land was purchased in 1925. Other than supposition, there has not been a single thing posted that would have anyone think differently. Now beore anyone thionks differently, I have a very open mind on this subject, which is why I honestly stated that I look forward to his post to see what he has "discovered."
Jeff_Brauer:
Phil,
TMac is checking the train schedules as we speak! (Sorry, I couldn't resist......)
In reality, if the documentation is in the official club minutes, I would tend to think its true. I do know that sometimes club histories that are oral in tradition can be skewed. Usually, its in favor of a famous gca having been involved somehow, (just like a few old houses around Chicago claim an FLW connection) but I wonder if there are many cases where a Tilllie actually did the work, and yet, somehow, its not credited, especially when he made recommendations on his PGA Tour?
Michael J. Moss:
Phil,
Can't wait for Tom to report back.
In my own research at Sunningdale, we came into possession of three documents that made our architectural timeline fact. I hope the keepers of "Tillinghast at QR" have the same.
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