"The photograph is curious, because there appears to be a golf course there with golfers, yet Phillip and others like to think that NGLA didn't exist until over a year later."
That's just another BS deflection and argumentative diversion. Noboby I'm aware of who knows anything about the real and true architectural history of NGLA (including Wilson and his committee ) said that the golf course did not exist in 1910----it was only a question of when it formally opened for play which had a lot to do with at least one real agronomic failure at NGLA for reasons that have been well documented from many parties!
If you actually believe this then you haven't been paying attention, not even on this thread. And you are wrong about the supposed agronomic failures and their timing. I've explained this to you before repeatedly, but you weren't paying attention then either. Or maybe your memory is just shot. That happens they say with age, neglect of active use of ones intellect, or the repeated abuse of one's brain cells.
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Phillip, if anyone doubts any of my representations of your posts they are above.
As for your timelining, if your implication was not that Shawnee was first,
then what is the point of repeatedly pointing out that Shawnee opened before NGLA's clubhouse was ready and they had their official opening? And what is the point of repeatedly noting that Tillie had may not have seen NGLA before the opening? He could read couldn't he? And wouldn't you say he was pretty well informed on what was ongoing in golf? It is not as if NGLA was a closely held secret before the official opening was it? Tillie would have had to have been living in Oklahoma to not have known about the Cape Hole by 1909 or before, no wait he would have known in Oklahoma. He would have had to have been living in Siberia, and that is presuming the mails would have been running very, very late to Siberia.
And Phillip, we cant count it Shawnee's as a cape hole if Tillie himself only retrospectively decided it was one in order to slip it into a self-promotion in one of his articles. t one until 1919!
As for Shawnee,
what was the date of the drawing in the advertisement? When did it first appear as an advertisemen? Are the holes labeled by name?
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Last time David as this has becaome more than a complete waste of time. I NEVER ONCE, not a single time stated that this was a Tilly concept, just that Tilly DEFINED the hole type as HE SAW IT AND DESIGNED THEM... I've said that over and over again and will now bow out of this thread...
Again Phillip, if you are not trying to create the implication, then what is the point of almost all that you have written. From your first post it has been aimed at creating the impression that Tillie might have come up with this on his own. Why then, if this is not your claim?
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I am interested in this plan of Shawnee so could you at least address my question as to its date?
Thanks.