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« Reply #70 on: November 05, 2009, 10:24:37 AM » |
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What in the hell are you guys talking about? Don't you have ANY faith in the Phillies? Who's pitching the seventh game tonight?
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« Reply #71 on: November 05, 2009, 10:30:31 AM » |
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I think the better team won, anyone questioning that couldn't possibly be trusted with a course rating card...
The Yankees might win a 7 game series 8 out of 10 times but I don't think they would tell you it was anything other than a full challenge, and those series would each go 6 or 7 games.
As much as anything, I came away amazed that Rivera has been doing that for 15 years. Our guy did for one and hasn't recoverd from the adrenalin overload...
I agree completely--especially the part about Rivera.The fact that he can pitch in the post-season better than any other reliever can during the regular season is incomprehensible.Kind of like a golfer making only 2 mistakes in 15 years of playing nothing but US Open final rounds. The only bad part about last night was that Martinez really didn't have anything.I was hoping he'd show up with his good stuff.A pitcher as historically great as Martinez would have been fun to watch on that stage. This,from a diehard Yankee fan since age 7. |
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« Reply #72 on: November 05, 2009, 10:42:46 AM » |
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What in the hell are you guys talking about? Don't you have ANY faith in the Phillies? Who's pitching the seventh game tonight?
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« Reply #73 on: November 06, 2009, 07:34:02 AM » |
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Anyone expressing surprise at how good Mariano Rivera is, must not have been watching the past fifteen years.
I can't remember if it was the Series against the Mets or the Braves (99) where one of Rivera's relatives had been kidnapped in Panama. He flew down there to make sure his family was okay, flew back the day of Game 1, and recorded the save. They asked Jeter what he thought of that after the game and he said he wasn't surprised -- "Mo is the most mentally tough person I've ever known."
Also, the part about removing Pedro in the third inning is ridiculous. Who was going to pitch the last 16 innings? That's just like all the guys who said the Yankees shouldn't have started their guys on three days' rest -- would you really have wanted Chad Gaudin to start a game instead of Pettitte?
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« Reply #74 on: November 06, 2009, 07:42:26 AM » |
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"we definitely need to talk my friend ... " PaulT: We do? Why do we need to talk? Are you going to tell me the Phillies won the World Series in game 7? I hope so because I went to bed pretty early last night and missed most of the game. |
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« Reply #75 on: November 06, 2009, 07:56:03 AM » |
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"we definitely need to talk my friend ... " PaulT: We do? Why do we need to talk? Are you going to tell me the Phillies won the World Series in game 7? I hope so because I went to bed pretty early last night and missed most of the game. i'm afraid i have some bad news for you Tom... but the Eagles are doing well i believe and they better beat those damn Cowboys! |
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« Reply #76 on: November 06, 2009, 08:01:54 AM » |
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The only bad part about last night was that Martinez really didn't have anything.I was hoping he'd show up with his good stuff.A pitcher as historically great as Martinez would have been fun to watch on that stage.
This,from a diehard Yankee fan since age 7.
But, Pedro had trouble breathing. My god, what kind of big time athlete talks openly about these things after getting his rear end handed to him on a plate. I hope the Phillies send him to the Girls Softball League where the air is nice and clear. |
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« Reply #77 on: November 06, 2009, 08:09:28 AM » |
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Tom - Rivera's pretty much a freak. He's had a misstep or two (think Arizona, game 7), but he's been so dominant for so long that batters simply don't step up to the plate thinking they can tag this guy. Every year, I look for him to crack, and every year he just keeps doing it. It's a good team feeling when you only have to worry about being in the lead after 7 or 8 innings.
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« Reply #78 on: November 06, 2009, 08:39:57 AM » |
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".....but the Eagles are doing well i believe and they better beat those damn Cowboys!"
PaulT:
I'm happy to know the Eagles are doing well but what are you talking about when you say they better beat those damn Cowboys? The Eagles are a rock band, aren't they? Why would they be beating up any damn cowboys?
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« Reply #79 on: November 06, 2009, 08:41:16 AM » |
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Regarding Manuel's decision to have Pedro face Matsui in the 3rd inning after the 2nd inning HR and the previous HR in game 3 AND that Pedro didn't have anything at all that night, I would second guess that decision any day. Happ, a left hander was warming up and the announcers were surprised that that Pedro wasn't pulled. After all, this was an elimination game. A manager is paid to make decisions and win. From yesterday's NYT: It was surprising, to a degree, that Martinez lasted as long as he did. In what may go down as his Grady Little moment, Phillies Manager Charlie Manuel left in a laboring Martinez to face his newest nemesis, Hideki Matsui, with two outs in the third, the bases loaded, the left-hander J. A. Happ warming up, and the Phillies trailing, 2-1. Matsui lined a two-run single on an 0-2 pitch. Martinez swiveled and stared as the ball skidded along the grass in left-center. “Pedro, he knows how to pitch,” Manuel said. “He’s got experience, he knows how to pitch and everything and, you know, I had to let him face that guy.” http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/sports/baseball/05phillies.html?ref=baseball |
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« Reply #80 on: November 06, 2009, 08:47:48 AM » |
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".....but the Eagles are doing well i believe and they better beat those damn Cowboys!"
PaulT:
I'm happy to know the Eagles are doing well but what are you talking about when you say they better beat those damn Cowboys? The Eagles are a rock band, aren't they? Why would they be beating up any damn cowboys?
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« Reply #81 on: November 06, 2009, 09:03:42 AM » |
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Tom - Rivera's pretty much a freak. He's had a misstep or two (think Arizona, game 7), but he's been so dominant for so long that batters simply don't step up to the plate thinking they can tag this guy. Every year, I look for him to crack, and every year he just keeps doing it. It's a good team feeling when you only have to worry about being in the lead after 7 or 8 innings.
And the Arizona misstep was a throwing error. The only bad thing about Rivera is that he's so far removed from other relievers that there's nobody to compare him to.He needs his own statistical category.Maybe MLB should start calling post-season saves "Riveras". |
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« Reply #82 on: November 06, 2009, 09:54:23 AM » |
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Dont forget the sand mans blown save against the red sox in game 4 of the 2004 Alcs. The red sox do have his number over all other teams in baseball. I think he turns 40 this month?
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« Reply #83 on: November 06, 2009, 10:37:39 AM » |
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Anyone expressing surprise at how good Mariano Rivera is, must not have been watching the past fifteen years.
I can't remember if it was the Series against the Mets or the Braves (99) where one of Rivera's relatives had been kidnapped in Panama. He flew down there to make sure his family was okay, flew back the day of Game 1, and recorded the save. They asked Jeter what he thought of that after the game and he said he wasn't surprised -- "Mo is the most mentally tough person I've ever known."
Also, the part about removing Pedro in the third inning is ridiculous. Who was going to pitch the last 16 innings? That's just like all the guys who said the Yankees shouldn't have started their guys on three days' rest -- would you really have wanted Chad Gaudin to start a game instead of Pettitte?
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« Reply #84 on: November 06, 2009, 11:48:02 AM » |
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I still love that Phillies team, and I hope my fellow Philadelphians really appreciate what we have here. I grew up in Buffalo and have been a die-hard Bills fan. Those 4 years of Super Bowl appearances (and the 3 years before/after) were the best in Bills history. Folks are only now realizing just how good we had it as fans. The Phillies are well-positioned to be a post-season regular, and I'm sure looking forward to it... (Even if I can't watch their games on DirecTV  ) |
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« Reply #85 on: November 06, 2009, 01:28:22 PM » |
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Regarding Manuel's decision to have Pedro face Matsui in the 3rd inning after the 2nd inning HR and the previous HR in game 3 AND that Pedro didn't have anything at all that night, I would second guess that decision any day. Happ, a left hander was warming up and the announcers were surprised that that Pedro wasn't pulled. After all, this was an elimination game.
Steve S: Happ did pitch to Matsui in the fifth ... he gave up the two-run double which pretty much clinched the game. And Mat Hickey: You're right, the Red Sox alone are relatively used to Rivera. They have seen him 18 games a year for the last 14 years, and all that experience makes them twice as effective against him as anyone else is (which puts him back to an above-average closer). By contrast, in the World Series, against teams that have hardly ever faced him, he's got a pretty good record, except for one inning against Arizona eight years ago. |
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« Reply #86 on: November 06, 2009, 04:16:08 PM » |
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Mr Thomas, you paged me. What can I do for you?
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« Reply #87 on: November 06, 2009, 06:15:29 PM » |
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Dont forget the sand mans blown save against the red sox in game 4 of the 2004 Alcs. The red sox do have his number over all other teams in baseball. I think he turns 40 this month?
Matt, pump the brakes... The Saux hardly "have Rivera's number"...The Red Sox and the D'Backs both needed seeing-eye broken bat hits to beat Rivera... As an aside, the Yankees have one of the best infields in the history of basball, even though Cano had a lousy series...Two first ballot hall-of-famers and Tex a perennial all-star...can you name any better ones? |
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« Reply #88 on: November 06, 2009, 08:22:00 PM » |
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I think Utley, Howard and Rollins aren't chopped liver as far as infielders go. The Yankees guys aren't bad either.
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« Reply #89 on: November 06, 2009, 08:42:11 PM » |
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Mr Thomas, you paged me. What can I do for you?
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thank you so much Doctor for your quick reply.. my good friend - even though he got his names backwards - one Tom Paul is in a great state of denial about his apparently-beloved Phillies and, scarier yet, is even more confused about the professional tootball team in his vicinity....... i might suggest that you prescribe more rest and golf for him...but i'd wager he gets pleny of both of those already Pls help...despite his obvious shortcomings he is a good man |
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« Reply #90 on: November 06, 2009, 08:48:21 PM » |
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Oops,you forgot 3rd base  That is an inield position, too... Rollins is a good ballplayer, but please dont compare him to Jeter... |
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« Reply #91 on: November 06, 2009, 10:35:06 PM » |
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Then don't compare Cano to Utley. It's a draw IMO. Yankees have the left side,Phillies have the right side.
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« Reply #92 on: November 06, 2009, 10:55:02 PM » |
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Utley had a superb Series, Cano's was lousy. Utley top 2B in NL, Cano in AL. Utely wins by a length.
Howard better power than Teixeira, Tex better average and FAR better fielder. (Watching him all year, I was stunned how good he was.) Draw,but I'd take Tex if I was building a team and could not have Pujols.
Jeter over Rollins bye a length.
Arod blows away Feliz.
Infields not even close to a draw.
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« Reply #93 on: November 06, 2009, 11:29:47 PM » |
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Mr Paul Thomas, thank you for you page and as you may or may not know I am always here or hereabouts and at your service. I have known of Mr Paul for many years but I must decline your entreaty concerning him. He does not seem to respect me or my approach to psychological health and remediation.
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« Reply #94 on: November 07, 2009, 12:33:43 AM » |
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The sox beat the yanks in game 4 of the 2004 alcs started by a walk to Kevin millar, and a steal by dave roberts then a base hit up the middle by bill mueller to tie the game and a home run by papi to win the game in extra frames. sand man is a great closer but the sox have had his number on the big stage. How did the sox win on a broken bat hit?
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« Reply #95 on: November 07, 2009, 07:18:13 AM » |
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Cano, who's a fine fielder, REALLY benefits from being on a team with so much firepower. IMO, that goes a long way to explaining his average. Utley by a mile.
Jeter any and all day over Rollins. Those 5 rings aren't by accident.
ARod the clear winner.
Howard's recent AWOL at bat and Tex's fielding advantage would make me pick Tex. This isn't the first time Howard's gone AWOL ... his BA at the beginning of the season is another example.
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« Reply #96 on: November 07, 2009, 11:23:51 AM » |
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The sox beat the yanks in game 4 of the 2004 alcs started by a walk to Kevin millar, and a steal by dave roberts then a base hit up the middle by bill mueller to tie the game and a home run by papi to win the game in extra frames. sand man is a great closer but the sox have had his number on the big stage. How did the sox win on a broken bat hit?
I could be wrong, I remember Muellers hit as weak onebut I could be wrong. (Maybe it was just lucky ) Roberts steal was a huge play.. Big Papis HR was not off Rivera. Every Yankee-Red Sox game is the "big stage" In 2009, Rivera had a terrible start, gave up a 2-run homer to the Sox in April and the Sox did not score on him the rest of the year and he had 3 saves. In 2008 in six appearances he was 2-0 with 3 saves and the Sox scored 1 run for the year. In 2007 the Sox scored 4 runs against him in April, then he handled them the rest of the year, as always. He have up one run to Boston in 2006, etc., etc. In summary, the Sox have got to him on a few RARE occasions, but let's not think they have "had his number..." That is just silly. |
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« Reply #97 on: November 07, 2009, 01:38:56 PM » |
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Tex batted .180 with a .311 slugging percentage in the 2009 playoffs. Howard batted .278 with a .593 slugging percentage.
Howard has more homers and more RBI than anyone in baseball since his rookie year. While he strikes out a lot, his offensive numbers are off the charts. He has a career .279 average so far and hid fielding was quite improved this past season.
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« Reply #98 on: November 07, 2009, 01:42:23 PM » |
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Bill,do the yankees have anyone on the team that can beat Tim wakefield in a round of golf. I hear wake and smoltz had some competitive rounds in spring training. I think wake is a member at Black Rock which is under courses by country.
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Mr Paul Thomas, thank you for you page and as you may or may not know I am always here or hereabouts and at your service. I have known of Mr Paul for many years but I must decline your entreaty concerning him. He does not seem to respect me or my approach to psychological health and remediation.
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JM, I like Howard, great fantasy player, but he has a World Series from hell. I see why you had to expand your argument to include the whole playoffs 13 strikeouts in 23 at bats, he choked, and proved that he can be pitched to. Maybe he's just one of thoe guys who feasts on bad pitching? Tex's playoff batting was not stellar, but he had several clutch hits and fielded superbly. Mat, I did not know that about Wakefield, he must be tough in Black Rock's senior championship! |
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