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If there is a Baseball god and he is good and just, the Phillies will crush the Yankees and there Steroid...oops, I mean Storied franchise. Pettite's record of playoff wins should have an asterisk just like Bond's homerun record and don't even get us started on ARod. By the way...how many more shots are we going to have to endure of his new squeeze Kate Hudson. My goodness, she gets around town more than a NY taxi.
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« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2009, 02:38:17 PM » |
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Now if only I could get Tim McCarver to zip it. He's SO annoying.
And you know the boys from FOX will be in a love affair with the Yankees. Sheesh!
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« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2009, 02:43:02 PM » |
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Now if only I could get Tim McCarver to zip it. He's SO annoying.
And you know the boys from FOX will be in a love affair with the Yankees. Sheesh!
"Will be"...that implies they haven't already been doing so.  Thats the real reason why I can't watch those games on Fox because it makes me want to hurl watching these guys kiss the butt of everything and anything NY related. Its bad enough that MLB isn't even a true competitive league anymore, much less have to put up with that... Have fun with the series, let me know when its over! |
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« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2009, 04:09:10 PM » |
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You'd know more about the Phillies defense than me, but Ibanez is a defensive liability in left (which is why he gets yanked in late innings) and I don't see Victorino and Werth as being better than average. The infield is pretty solid defensively and the catcher is good. Other than at catcher, I thought the Rockies' defense looked much better than the Phillies but I guess I'm a few rounds behind in the playoffs (and still in shock over Game 4 in Denver).
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Jamie,
You'd know more about the Phillies defense than me, but Ibanez is a defensive liability in left (which is why he gets yanked in late innings) and I don't see Victorino and Werth as being better than average. The infield is pretty solid defensively and the catcher is good. Other than at catcher, I thought the Rockies' defense looked much better than the Phillies but I guess I'm a few rounds behind in the playoffs (and still in shock over Game 4 in Denver).
The Rockies had a superior defense to the Phillies, though I'd say they probably have one of the best in the league. I'd put the Phillies somewhere between the average and excellent descriptions thrown out here. Strong, but probably only slightly better than average in reality. I think your assessment of the individuals is pretty spot on, though I'd characterize Victorino as better than average (any CF that can break through the ranks to win a gold glove is doing something right) and Werth probably slightly better than average because of his arm strength and accuracy. |
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« Reply #41 on: October 28, 2009, 09:53:51 PM » |
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« Reply #42 on: October 28, 2009, 10:04:01 PM » |
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It continues to amaze me how much the national media and public in general (you guys included) continue to underestimate this Phillies team. They have the bats to compete with ANYONE. Our line up is just a hitting maching from Rollins through Ibanez and Ruiz and Feliz have both made meaningful contributions at the plate in the playoffs.
The numbers Ryan Howard are putting up not only in the playoffs but in the regular season are just astounding. The man is playing at such an extrordinary level right now that he has to be compared to some of the great hitters of all time. He can literally carry a team through a series though he doesn't need to.
Cliff Lee is a bonafide ACE.
I've been saying this for the past few days and I'll say it again. I want the YANKEES. I want all the hype as bs that goes with the Evil Empire. These Phillies are playing with such a high level of confidence right now that they will not back down from anyone.
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« Reply #43 on: October 28, 2009, 10:34:05 PM » |
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It continues to amaze me how much the national media and public in general (you guys included) continue to underestimate this Phillies team. They have the bats to compete with ANYONE. Our line up is just a hitting maching from Rollins through Ibanez and Ruiz and Feliz have both made meaningful contributions at the plate in the playoffs.
The numbers Ryan Howard are putting up not only in the playoffs but in the regular season are just astounding. The man is playing at such an extrordinary level right now that he has to be compared to some of the great hitters of all time. He can literally carry a team through a series though he doesn't need to.
Cliff Lee is a bonafide ACE.
I've been saying this for the past few days and I'll say it again. I want the YANKEES. I want all the hype as bs that goes with the Evil Empire. These Phillies are playing with such a high level of confidence right now that they will not back down from anyone.
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Tim I said it before and I'll say it again CLIFF LEE IS A BONAFIDE ACE. The man is just a stud. Cliff Lee is a Bro with a capital B. Best pitcher in the game? |
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« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2009, 03:03:58 PM » |
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O Numerous Philly Phanatics..... What say ye now?  Granted, your Ace of Hurling is on the mound tonight and I too would wager that Phils take this one, you can't at all be happy about using him up before heading back to the Big Apple with two "must" bites!!! It's sooooo sad  to turn on the radio today and hear a rather pathetic Philly imitation of "empire State of Mind." That put it over the edge for me! Say what you want about this and that, but this year's Bronx Bombers play with spirit and intelligence, the latter of which seems to be missing from Uncle Charlie and his coaching staff. Now I like a good Cheesesteak with the best of them, but maybe Charlie's hitting the velveeta a little too hard these days? I like my chances that #27 pops up on the wheel before #3....  Just a little Brotherly Love from up North and hoping to spend Thursday at Le Bec Fin, instead of hearing "Beer Here"!!!  |
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« Reply #45 on: November 02, 2009, 03:18:07 PM » |
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Oh Mr. Lapper...it's so nice to see you strutting on the 10 yard line, but you've still got some work to do...
Sitting Lee last night may well prove to be the best call of the season if he and Martinez pitch as well as in their first outings...that should result in a Game 7 which would be worthy of Manager of the Year on it's own...last year's two top players have been worthless all year (the Starter and the Closer...) and the Phil's could be sitting on the doorstep of another title if they get these next two...although, what then?
Not sure about the coaching staff's culpability in third base being wide open, and not really sure it matters...if Lidge can't get 'em out, he can't get 'em out...
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« Reply #47 on: November 02, 2009, 03:37:02 PM » |
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Gotta hand it to you Yankees fans, it takes guts to be one. Or maybe gall is a better word. It would be kinda like being Tiger Woods and asking for 2 a side... George, No doubt. Go out and spend ridiculous amounts of money on the best talent in the game and then be "proud and amazed" when it actually all comes together every now and then... May as well just go to Vegas and root for the house to win if ur a Yankees fan... |
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« Reply #49 on: November 02, 2009, 03:41:05 PM » |
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The Phillies have done okay, just as I supposed they would, but they just don't seem to have the arms to contend with the Yankees. Brad Lidge? Gimme a break. He's toast. Who was the mutt who started the game last night? Cole Hamels seems like he's in the midst of a nervous breakdown. As for Cliff Lee, he definitely is a star and they need him to step up tonight, but it's going to be a tough game for the Phillies to win because all of the pressure is going to be on them.
I'll stick with my prediction of Yankees in five. Mind you, I can't really CHEER for the Yankees, because they've beaten my team for decades, but I think they are the better team this year.
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Ladies, Cry all those crocodile tears about this (Yankee $$ spent) and that (and yes, Lidge admits Manuel NEVER worked on covering third with his relief staff). The rules of the game are intact and the it's the Series. George, as you know, I've been a Yankee (and Pirates) fan my whole life....that way I can have pride and sympathy all in one!! Sully, Dream on my young lad. Your fairy tale might come partially true, but I suspect the ghost of Pedro will come to haunt him and I'll once again be joining the chorus of "who's your daddy?" Yes, I have seats, but as you noted, I have little desire to be outdoors on Thursday(save for stepping into the paid for limo drive to Le Bec Fin...gratis of my wrong-way Philly (in)bred brother-in-law)  Kalen, If you were out of diapers and a real NYY fan from birth, era's like the 60's and last 5yrs, you'd have plenty to crow about without making excuses. And it is good to be the house....I'll take that position all day long over being the sucker. See you boys and girls.....heading out to a Yankee dinner party! PSS,,,Someone please come up here and take Mayday back before he gets in further trouble up in these parts! |
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« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2009, 04:12:26 PM » |
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I guess I'm dreaming like it is a year from my childhood in Michigan.... 1968, Tigers come back from a 3-1 deficit to beat the Cards. Lefty Mickey Lolich wins game 5 and game 7. Perhaps Cliff Lee is Mickey Lolich reincarnated (minus a few lb's). |
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« Reply #54 on: November 04, 2009, 10:43:02 PM » |
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« Reply #55 on: November 04, 2009, 11:42:52 PM » |
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The Phillies were an excellent team and defended their championship well.
Hopefully their fans will not spoil all that by being whiny losers. They got beat by another great team, and their manager knows it, even if some don't.
I'm happy for Matsui who has been dreaming of this for 15 years and came through when it mattered ... and of course Jeter and Pettitte and Rivera, all of whom had big games in the finale.
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« Reply #57 on: November 05, 2009, 03:38:07 AM » |
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Tim B, I don't hear you did you say something ??  Tom D, Well said my friend well said unfortunately most fans won't heed your advice and the texts on my phone are already starting with the excuses and complaints and excuses blah blah blah. Just add one more conquest to the evil empire !!!! It was worth the boos I got and the beer thrown on me sunday in philly . Looking forward to Fri's ticker tape parade, i'll be sure to post a few pics !! Brad |
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George, as you know, I've been a Yankee (and Pirates) fan my whole life....that way I can have pride and sympathy all in one!! In a weird way, I kind of feel sorry for current Yankee fans. Any Championships are likely to not be respected by many, in view of the financial inequities of the game. Still, it's hard to feel too sorry. George, I am feeling your sympathy all the way up here this am! It is necessary to note that the Phillies were a tough and highly worthy competitor. Charlie Manuel put in a classy post-game performance and earns my total respect. Performances from Utley and Lee were scary good and as a forever Yankee fan, I wouldn't have wanted to see a 7th game with those guys anywhere near the Stadium. The Series was exciting and hard fought. This year's Yankee team was truly exceptional and regardless of how much certain players were paid,or acquired, they came out every game, hustled and played like a team. The core of the club (Mo, Pettite, Jeter, Posada, and Matsui) led like the veterans they are and pushed all their teammates to top form. Sadly, most Philly fans won't learn the lesson given by their manager. As the very funny Jon Stewart proclaimed Philly fans "the douchiest fans in sports," some ingrained (see inbred) behaviors die hard. Here's to hoping that never changes!!!! |
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« Reply #59 on: November 05, 2009, 07:57:40 AM » |
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Nice win by the Bronx Bombers. Their core group -- Jeter, Mo, Posada and Andy, while not exceptional, were very solid.
I'll take Jeter over JRo any and all day, especially when it's post season time. No way he's a comparable defensive liability and his ability to to get on base, which keeps the innings going and wears down the pitching is great stuff.
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As I said at the beginning, the Phillies are very good. Are the Yankess great ? We will know next year if that is true. Howard and Hamels hurt us but the Yankees deserved to win. I was most impressed by their ability to get the little hits. Those added up to a series win.
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As I said at the beginning, the Phillies are very good. Are the Yankess great ? We will know next year if that is true. Howard and Hamels hurt us but the Yankees deserved to win. I was most impressed by their ability to get the little hits. Those added up to a series win.
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« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2009, 09:20:58 AM » |
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The bummer about this series is that the Phillies showed virtually no fight against the Yankees. Sure, Cliff Lee was terrific. I'll grant you that Chase Utley was "studly" in his own lilliputian way. But the rest of the Phillies simply couldn't compete against the Yankees pitching. Virtually all of the timely hitting was on the Yankees side of the ledger. I was hoping for a real competitive series and the Phillies just didn't do enough to make this series in any way memorable for anybody other than diehard Yankees fans. A bit of a snoozer.
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The one weakness of the Phillies was that their number 3, 4 and 6 hitters were all left-handed, and none of them could do anything off Pettitte or Rivera or even Damaso Marte. The Yankees have had years like that, too, which is why it was so obvious to me.
Maybe it was just an aberration, and Howard is not really as bad against good left-handers as he looked this week. But from the other side of the field, it seemed obvious that they should have broken those guys up and batted Ruiz much higher in the order against lefties, so that Marte couldn't play such a key role.
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This was a very interesting season for the Phillies. Lidge and Hamels hurt the team badly. Romero was missed in the bullpen. Madson failed as a closer. Myers was injured.They were in a funk for awhile until Lee arrived. Pedro helped. Howard is a streaky hitter who can carry the team when he's hot. Werth emerged. Ibanez carried the team until the All Star game. Utley is Utley. Manuel is too loyal. Ruiz is highly underpaid. Feliz is steady. Happ had a great rookie season but was MIA in the WS. Blanton was MIA too in the WS. Rollins bounced back from a horrific start.They have a weak bench. It's a wonder they made it to the WS but that really shows how good they are as survivors. Their competition in the NL was weak. They feasted on the Nationals. For me, the highlight of the year was the Martinez v. Lincecum game: http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20090904_Martinez_outduels_Lincecum_as_Phils_edge_Giants.htmlIf I were the GM, I'd try to get Holliday from the Blue Jays, sign Lee to an extension, get a bench, sign Adkins if they don't resign Feliz and hope that Drabek develops and can help soon. TheYankees are very good and exposed the Phillies weakness in the bullpen and they hit in the clutch. Damon's play was key. The turning point was Hamels not holding the lead in game 3. Can we second guess Manuel for not pulling Pedro in the 3rd inning of game 6? Yes, we can. |
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The Yankees might win a 7 game series 8 out of 10 times but I don't think they would tell you it was anything other than a full challenge, and those series would each go 6 or 7 games.
As much as anything, I came away amazed that Rivera has been doing that for 15 years. Our guy did for one and hasn't recoverd from the adrenalin overload...
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