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Scott Warren

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« on: October 21, 2009, 12:48:48 PM »
Much is made of how holes will play with the prevailing wind in mind, perhaps none moreso in my travels than the talk of the murderous back nine at Royal Cinque Ports/Deal, but I wonder just how reliable or accurate that is.

I first played Deal in late February this year, and have since managed about 15 games. Only twice has it played into the famed prevailing southerly that is said to make holes 12-18 such a bitch. I thought perhaps it was just a seasonal quirk at first, then later believed perhaps it was just a quirk of the days I played there, so I asked around, and it seems many members regard the prevailing wind as a myth.

In my experience, the most common wind blows into you and from the right at about 30 degrees on the fourth hole. ie. just a little from the north of straight in off the ocean, making 9 and 11 play downwind, 8 and 10 play into the teeth and the rest pretty much accross with a little bit of help or hurt.

But that is just one example. What I'm wondering is how constant or relable a wind needs to be to be considered "prevailing" and have a GCA design holes with it in mind? And how regularly, though evolution of the climate and weather patterns, do they change?

Folklore being what it is, I imagine the legend of the last seven holes at Deal will live on regardless, but does anyone else who has played it enough think it's largely a myth nowadays?
« Last Edit: October 21, 2009, 01:49:12 PM by Scott Warren »

Mark Pearce

Re: Prevailing wind
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2009, 12:56:18 PM »
I suspect it depends where you are.  I would estimate that between April and September the wind at my home club blows from the West about 90% of the time.  In Spring/Summer it's verty rare indeed to get an East wind, but South or more commonly North winds are seen occasionally.  From about now until spring an East wind (bloody cold in winter) is more common.  The last 4 holes play directly West so a West wind is a complete and utter bastard most weekends during the season.
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Jeff_Brauer

Re: Prevailing wind
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2009, 01:29:54 PM »
It does depend on where you are.  In the US there seems to be extensive data from the national weather service.  I clicked on a local city in Texas and found that last month, the wind blew one direction 10 of 30 days, but this is a changin weather system. I think that in summer, it would be out of the south more like 20 days out of 30.

In other areas, you trust the prevailing wind about as much as a well dressed stranger offering a bet on the first tee.....
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Jamie Barber

Re: Prevailing wind
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2009, 01:39:31 PM »
Deal is right on the coast and the sea breezes vary a lot. However the prevailing wind should be roughly westerly, so that's roughly from Deal clubhouse to the start of the 2nd fairway.

In my experience in Sandwich, we get all winds but the one right off the sea is the least frequent.

I've only played Deal 3 times but never with the "prevailing" wind into on the back nine.
« Last Edit: October 21, 2009, 01:42:01 PM by Jamie Barber »

Niall C

Re: Prevailing wind
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2009, 01:47:34 PM »
Scott

Very good point. I agree with Mark that it varies with the seasons and also I take prevailing to mean the general direction rather than specifically NNE or whatever.

I suspect it is one of the reasons on older courses that tended to evolve that the greens are open at the front to make them more flexible to allow for different types of shots because of the wind.

Niall

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