These guys are good...

[Mark Pearce]

I note that Ross McGowan, world ranked 177 leads the Madrid Masters by 7, having shot a 12 under par 60 today, including 2 bogeys, 4 pars, 10 birdies and 2 eagles. Not a single par in his back 9.

[Jon Nolan]

Maybe he's the king of dog tracks.

Not to take anything away from his round.  Very nice.  But that course is pure crap.  I couldn't watch it.

[astavrides]

lift, clean, and place thru the green.

[Mark Pearce]

Indeed, a poor course and lift, clean and place.  Anyone could shoot 60. 

[astavrides]

Indeed, a poor course and lift, clean and place.  Anyone could shoot 60. 

ok, yes, they are good.  There is a reason though that course and tournament records do not count when lift, clean, and place is used.  There were also 3 63's and a 62 this week so far.

[Grant Saunders]

I dont particularly care if it was lift, clean and kick the ball 10 yards up the hole. 60 is an amazing round of golf.

This forum is possibly the only place around where you can find people willing to pour cold water over such a remarkable achievement.

lift, clean, and place thru the green.

In your opinion, how many strokes per round do you think a player is advantaged by placing the ball?

[Padraig Dooley]

Indeed, a poor course and lift, clean and place.  Anyone could shoot 60. 

Granted the course doesn't look great but 12 under on any course under any conditions is a serious round of golf. How many guys would even shoot 12 under on a wedge and putt course?

[Rob Rigg]

sounds pretty bloody good to me regardless of conditions or "rule adjustments" - have at it lads

[Mark Pearce]

Indeed, a poor course and lift, clean and place.  Anyone could shoot 60. 

ok, yes, they are good.  There is a reason though that course and tournament records do not count when lift, clean, and place is used.  There were also 3 63's and a 62 this week so far.

Which reinforces my point, I think, rather than counter it.

[Jud_T]

Only watched a bit of it, but that course looks like a pitch and putt for these guys....

[Padraig Dooley]

Indeed, a poor course and lift, clean and place.  Anyone could shoot 60. 

ok, yes, they are good.  There is a reason though that course and tournament records do not count when lift, clean, and place is used.  There were also 3 63's and a 62 this week so far.

Which reinforces my point, I think, rather than counter it.

Mark there have been only 12 60's on the European Tour, this is not the first time there has been lift, clean and place and it's not the easiest course that's been played. You shouldn't be taking anything away from Ross McGowan's great achievement.

[Mark Pearce]

Indeed, a poor course and lift, clean and place.  Anyone could shoot 60. 

ok, yes, they are good.  There is a reason though that course and tournament records do not count when lift, clean, and place is used.  There were also 3 63's and a 62 this week so far.

Which reinforces my point, I think, rather than counter it.

Mark there have been only 12 60's on the European Tour, this is not the first time there has been lift, clean and place and it's not the easiest course that's been played. You shouldn't be taking anything away from Ross McGowan's great achievement.

Padraig,

I'm not taking anything away from it, I think it's remarkable, hence posting in the first place.  I was responding to posts by a couple of people who obviously don't find shooting 60, in competition, to be noteworthy. I'm sorry if my irony got lost in transalation.

[Bill_McBride]

Indeed, a poor course and lift, clean and place.  Anyone could shoot 60. 

ok, yes, they are good.  There is a reason though that course and tournament records do not count when lift, clean, and place is used.  There were also 3 63's and a 62 this week so far.

Which reinforces my point, I think, rather than counter it.

Mark there have been only 12 60's on the European Tour, this is not the first time there has been lift, clean and place and it's not the easiest course that's been played. You shouldn't be taking anything away from Ross McGowan's great achievement.

Padraig,

I'm not taking anything away from it, I think it's remarkable, hence posting in the first place.  I was responding to posts by a couple of people who obviously don't find shooting 60, in competition, to be noteworthy. I'm sorry if my irony got lost in transalation.

Mark, you've overlooked the need for smilies to get through the fog of literalness (not literacy) that afflicts some.   

[Mark Pearce]

Bill,

I haven't overlooked them.  To me Smilies are to the English language what golf carts are to golf for Melvyn.

Mark

[Padraig Dooley]

Padraig

I'm not taking anything away from it, I think it's remarkable, hence posting in the first place.  I was responding to posts by a couple of people who obviously don't find shooting 60, in competition, to be noteworthy. I'm sorry if my irony got lost in translation.

Mark, one of the drawbacks of internet forums, sometimes the irony is lost in translation. Of course the problem could be my lack of mental aptitude ,(but that couldn't be!!!).

[Bill_McBride]

Bill,

I haven't overlooked them.  To me Smilies are to the English language what golf carts are to golf for Melvyn.

Mark

That was my point.

[Jon Nolan]

Padraig,

I'm not taking anything away from it, I think it's remarkable, hence posting in the first place.  I was responding to posts by a couple of people who obviously don't find shooting 60, in competition, to be noteworthy. I'm sorry if my irony got lost in transalation.

I guess I'm one of those people to whom you refer although I suggest there was a bit lost in translation there as well.  As I said, "not to take anything away from his round" and "very nice".  I may be guilty of a threadjack in changing the subject to the horrible course/design but I do not find the accomplishment lacking.

[disdain for smilies alert] [/disdain for smilies alert]

[Mark Pearce]

Bill,

I haven't overlooked them.  To me Smilies are to the English language what golf carts are to golf for Melvyn.

Mark

That was my point.

Have I been hoist by my own petard?

[Mark Pearce]

Padraig,

I'm not taking anything away from it, I think it's remarkable, hence posting in the first place.  I was responding to posts by a couple of people who obviously don't find shooting 60, in competition, to be noteworthy. I'm sorry if my irony got lost in transalation.

I guess I'm one of those people to whom you refer although I suggest there was a bit lost in translation there as well.  As I said, "not to take anything away from his round" and "very nice".  I may be guilty of a threadjack in changing the subject to the horrible course/design but I do not find the accomplishment lacking.

[disdain for smilies alert] [/disdain for smilies alert]

And a truly dire course it looks.  Made most apparent by the aerial shots, which just highlight the omnipresent cart paths.

[Mike Hendren]

Many forget that Geiberger's 59 at Memphis was played under lift, clean and place rules due solely to the poor early season condition of the bermuda at Colonial CC.  

Mike

[Bill_McBride]

Bill,

I haven't overlooked them.  To me Smilies are to the English language what golf carts are to golf for Melvyn.

Mark

That was my point.

Have I been hoist by my own petard?

Not at all.  There is occasionally a failure to recognize irony on this site, although sarcasm is usually quite recognizable!

[Garland Bayley]

They can't be that good. It has come to my attention (The Match by Frost) that Ben Hogan owns the course record at Cypress Point twice with 63s.

I know these guys that claim to be good make a point of visiting courses and trying to set the course record. If they are so good, why can't they get it done at CPC?