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Jeff_Brauer

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RIP - Golf course architect Ken Killian passes away
« on: October 01, 2009, 08:46:30 AM »
It is with regret that I pass on the news that my mentor Ken Killian passed away on Sept. 20, at age 78, losing a bout with cancer.  I was saddened, having last seen him two years ago at an ASGCA event at Medinah, and seeing him in relatively good spirits and looking well.  So far, there are no obituaries, no industry press releases, and no tributes.  To me, that is a shame, since he had so much influence on me, and without golfers knowing much about it, a lot of influence on their enjoyment of the game.

Ken (and his former partner Dick Nugent) was as good a mentor as there could have been.  Professionally, he was as influential to me as my own father was personally.  It’s a tribute to him that 32 years after starting to work with him, I still find myself quoting or paraphrasing things he said to me to clients, employees and others.  I also draw plans, think design, and run the office in ways very similar to the old Killian and Nugent days.  Even as I try to change my style to keep fresh, I find that after much thought, the design lessons they taught me still apply.

Ken often said that doing one green at club for a modest price probably did more for golf than building a high end tournament course and I keep that with me until this day.  To him, there were no “bad”, “too small”, or “underfunded” golf design projects.  There were only opportunities to make golfers happier.  When I was assigned the Lake Arrowhead project in Nekoosa, WI, while Bob Lohmann got the “better” George Dunne project, with its higher budget, I was grousing about it a bit.  Ken asked me “What’s stopping you from making it a great project?”  It's true - a good design is not necessarily money dependent, its designer dependent. 

I spent six years at Killian and Nugent, and one year with Ken before going on my own, with his blessing (provided I move far, far away, partially explaining why I am a Texan) I have many fond memories of the work environment and “moments” that occurred.  I paired up with Ken more often for projects than with Dick and I was working with Ken on projects at the time of the split, which is why I ended up with him for a year.  I think Ken did a little bit better job of putting up with my constant flow of “design ideas” than Dick did!  In that partnership, I viewed Ken as slightly more artistic, and Dick as slightly more practical.

Ken had his foibles, of course.  So did his cars, (always Cadillac’s) which had tendencies to catch on fire.  It happened three times that I know of.  I was with him once when smoke started pouring out of the engine compartment.  He pulled into a gas station (they actually had service bays back in those days) which was a natural reaction for him, but as he turned in, they were waving us off like a we were making a bad approach on a carrier landing, wanting nothing to do with his burning car near their gas pumps!

Ken was always fun (he still skied, golfed, horseback rode, etc. when many would be slowing down) He had a bad back (from skiing, I think) and we once played golf at Innisbrook, with him wearing a brace.  He hit one in the water, and then repeatedly dropped and tried the shot again.  The hook on his back brace caught in his shirt, and by the time he finally hit the green, his shirt was in shreds!

At times, that flexibility would border on indecisiveness. When we were working for Jim Colbert in Las Vegas, mild mannered Ken came home with a tooth out.  He brought an article in the Las Vegas paper about a fight started when an “amateurish” blackjack player slowly made the decision to draw a card, even though he sat at 18.  That angered another player (more that he drew with an 18, going over 21 and costing him a good card), starting a fight.  Pointing at the article, Ken said, “Yeah that was me!”

Another lasting memory as I put on a few pounds a year was that Ken could eat anything he wanted, and stayed thin his whole life!

I wish Ken had lived longer and even happier, and achieved a bit more success than he did.  After his divorce, he found Gita, and they always acted like teenagers in love.  However, that forced him to split his life and career between LA and Chicago for personal reasons. I know he was as devoted to his kids and mother when she was alive as he was to Gita, but pursuing both markets for personal reasons only diluted his marketing efforts.  And when Gita died, he maintained his generally upbeat personality, telling me at Medinah that he had 7 girlfriends – one for dancing, one for horseback riding, one for golf, etc.  Classic Ken! 


Jeff Brauer, ASGCA Director of Outreach

Scott Warren

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Re: RIP - Golf course architect Ken Killian passes away
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2009, 08:51:45 AM »
Sorry for your loss Jeff.

Bruce Leland

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Re: RIP - Golf course architect Ken Killian passes away
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2009, 11:10:15 AM »
Jeff, thanks for the insight into Ken's life and your shared experiences with him.  My condolences.
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: RIP - Golf course architect Ken Killian passes away
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2009, 11:14:39 AM »
Jeff,
You've conveyed the essence of the man in a handful of paragraphs. He was a good mentor indeed.

Sorry for the loss.  :'(
"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

Michael Dugger

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Re: RIP - Golf course architect Ken Killian passes away
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2009, 11:21:00 AM »
That was a thoroughly enjoyable read and it appears we could all take a few lessons from how Ken lived his life and adapt them to our own.

Thanks, Jeff.
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Jay Flemma

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Re: RIP - Golf course architect Ken Killian passes away
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2009, 11:24:17 AM »
That was a wonderful introspective, Jeff.  Sorry for your loss and for the golf world's as well.
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Peter Pallotta

Re: RIP - Golf course architect Ken Killian passes away
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2009, 11:32:41 AM »
Thanks, Jeff - you remind me once again that in gca as in every walk of life, most of the true practitioners of a craft, the ones that embody that craft's main purpose, are rarely the ones that get their names in the papers (for good or ill) or who revolutionize the craft (for good or will). They just do the best work they can.

I'm glad you had such a good mentor and friend. I'm guessing that it has made all the difference.

Peter

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: RIP - Golf course architect Ken Killian passes away
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2009, 11:47:24 AM »
Thank you for sharing meaningful experiences with Ken.
Good luck keeping your shirts in one piece and having your cars not ignite.
Best
Mike
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Jason Topp

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Re: RIP - Golf course architect Ken Killian passes away
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2009, 12:04:28 PM »
Thanks Jeff.  I am at a casino resort in New Mexico and will hit on 18 once in honor of Ken

Kirk Gill

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Re: RIP - Golf course architect Ken Killian passes away
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2009, 12:18:06 PM »
I can only echo what's been said already in response to your fine post, Jeff.

Thank you for sharing that with us.


Kirk.
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Adam Clayman

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Re: RIP - Golf course architect Ken Killian passes away
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2009, 01:57:19 PM »
Jeff, As someone who was likely influenced by the work of that old team, my condolences go out to any affected by the loss. Sounds like he had a great life.

 As Mike says above sharing those experiences and influences imparts a healthy respect and is appreciated as a reader. Thanx.

If we do ever meet, I hope we get to talking about those influences, both yours and mine. It would be interesting to know some of the features and design aspects that were attributable to Ken.
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Michael Vogt, CGCS, CGIA

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Re: RIP - Golf course architect Ken Killian passes away
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2009, 05:09:46 PM »
To Ken’s friends, and acquaintances:

I am but a humble aged golf course superintendent. As a young lad I was introduced to Ken Killian through my mentor, Mike Bavier, while working in the northern Chicago suburbs. I have worked with Ken on several projects and have learned and been impressed by Ken’s knowledge and easy-going style.

No doubt, he was tough on those Cadillacs!

He will be missed.

Bradley Anderson

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Re: RIP - Golf course architect Ken Killian passes away
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2009, 06:07:14 PM »
I had several conversations with Ken about Robert Bruce Harris' methods of building greens and bunkers. Ken was Harris' associate during most of Harris' best work. I doubt that anyone knew more about Robert Bruce Harris than Ken Killian.

I think Ken's first project on his own was Greenshire, the Waukegan Park District par 3 course. I lived a couple miles from that course, and I played there with my kids all the time. Those greens were really really good. 

Well that was my exposure to Mr. Killian, and I always thought that he would have been a great guy to build a golf course with.

RJ_Daley

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Re: RIP - Golf course architect Ken Killian passes away
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2009, 01:48:43 AM »
I met Ken and I guess 'Gita' briefly about 22 years ago when I was looking to partner up with someone in a golf development project.  There were two farmer brothers in Paoli WI that were interested in converting the family farm whom I had met and had walked their land evaluating it.  It was a nice piece of land and one of the brothers just saw some marketing literature and invited Ken to come to the property to have a look.  I remember he arrived in a nice car (although I don't remember it as a Caddie) and he was with the red headed woman with a heavy German or teutonic accent.  I remembered her name as Margreet with heavy accent on the 'greeeet'.  To be honest, the farmers did not take to her as they thought she was putting on airs.  In that particular case, the lady did not help in the salesmanship.

It is of course sad when one of the older-mentor generation passes on, and I'm sorry for that loss to you, Jeff.
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Forrest Richardson

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Re: RIP - Golf course architect Ken Killian passes away
« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2009, 09:48:31 PM »
Ken was very kind, indeed. At age 13 when I penned the first issue of The Golf Course Designer, it was Ken and Dick Nugent who were among the first professional offices to send in an $8 check to subscribe. For several years of my high school days it was a handful of ASGCA members and a few others who made up the subscription base.

I only met Ken in person in the 1990s. And, much like my first meeting with Bob Graves, it was a tremendous memory that I will always cherish. He was kind, always on the giving side of the equation, and very much a "people" person. Fortunately golf design is all about passing on traits and values — a comforting thought.
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Evan Fleisher

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Re: RIP - Golf course architect Ken Killian passes away
« Reply #15 on: October 13, 2009, 09:29:57 AM »
Jeff,

So sorry to hear of Ken's passing, and your own personal loss.  I've played three of his designs in/around the Chicagoland area and enjoyed them all.  He will surely be missed.
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