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Jud_T

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Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« on: September 30, 2009, 03:55:07 PM »
I was going through my personal course rankings and looking at discrepencies between my rankings and golfweek, golf magazine and golf digest. Of courses that I've played here are what I feel are the most overrated and underrated courses in the current magazine rankings.  Feel free to comment or to post your own personal discrepencies, thoughts.  Only prerequisite is that you've played the courses in question:

Most Overrated Courses:

1. Rich Harvest Farms
2. Pebble Beach
3. Medinah #3
4. Butler National
5. European Club
6. Turnberry
7. Whistling Straights (Straights)
8. Bandon Trails

Most Underrated Courses:

1. Kingsley Club
2. Lawsonia Links
3. Black Sheep
4. Lost Dunes
5. Shoreacres
6. Prestwick
7. Yale
8. The Dunes Club
9. Skokie
10. Fenway
11. Pine Needles


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Jim Franklin

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2009, 04:17:36 PM »
Let me guess...you're from Chicago ;). Totally agree with Black Sheep and Lost Dunes as being underrated as well as The Kingsley Club (in my personal top 30). Rich Harvest is ranked too high as well and Pebble is #19 for me so I would say it is overrated as well. I do love Turnberry though.
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Wayne_Kozun

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2009, 04:34:57 PM »
Underrated - both the King's and Queen's courses at Gleneagles.
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Dan Herrmann

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2009, 04:53:43 PM »
Underrated:
Rolling Green (PA)
Twisted Dune (NJ)
Waverly (OR)

Overrated:
Ballyowen (NJ)
Bell Bay (Nova Scotia)
Hartefeld (PA)
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Jud_T

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2009, 07:23:34 PM »
Jim, I probably should have an asterick by Turnberry.  The day we played there were 60 mph wind gusts and rain coming sideways.  Probably need to give it one more spin on a nice day...I'll definitely be back in the area at some point as Prestwick is one of my favorites and I foolishly sat out Western Gailes last time around (36 seemed a bit much after getting off the redeye) and Troon didn't work schedulewise...
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David Kelly

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2009, 07:26:31 PM »
Jud,

I'm with you all the way with the glaring exceptions of Pebble Beach and Bandon Trails.
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Sam Morrow

Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2009, 07:31:24 PM »
How about we just go through the ranking from Golf World, chances are this crowd will find those overrated.
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Jud_T

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2009, 07:37:30 PM »
Sam, that's not even worth discussing.  See previous threads...
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Jud_T

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2009, 07:46:12 PM »
David,

I think Pebble has 6 or 7 of the most scenic holes on the planet, but the rest of the course doesn't stand up to it's lofty ranking.  You need 18 solid strategic holes to be ranked that highly, not a couple of great holes and a lot of pretty views.  As for the Trails, I think #14 makes no sense on a resort course that most guests play only once or twice.  Maybe on a private course that members play dozens of times it would be a fun hole.  I think the best reason to play the Trails is to have an afternoon round off the water during the windy season, and in short order Old Mac will likely be a MUCH better option. 

How about some other folks personal list over and under rated vs. the mags?
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ChipOat

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2009, 08:09:57 PM »
Fenway and Rolling Green are underrated?  They're both awfully good and most everybody acknowledges that, do they not?

Unless somebody thinks either/both are Top 20 material, I thought the proper respect was already out there.
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David_Elvins

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2009, 08:48:39 PM »
Pebble was only over-rated when it was number 1.  It is definitly still top 10 IMO. 

Passatiempo should be around Top 20 inthe US IMO.  Is massively underated on all lists, especially those where it fails to reach top 100. 

Barnbougle Dunes underated too if people reckon it only slips into the world's top 50 courses.
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Carl Nichols

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2009, 08:52:23 PM »
Overrated:  Long Cove, Berkeley Hall, Portmarnock.

Underrated:  RTJ, The Island (Ireland). 
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ChipOat

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2009, 09:14:27 PM »
Yes, indeed - Pasatiempo is most definitely underrated.

How about Monterey Peninsula CC as underrated?  It gets good reviews on GCA (not just by Bob Huntley) but never seems to be high on any magazine's list.  I've never played either course, so this is just a guess.
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Jud_T

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2009, 10:29:23 PM »
Carl,

Disagree on Portmarnock.  And the island is a solid track, but not sure it's top 100 material...
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Ben Sims

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2009, 10:43:06 PM »
Overrated:

Torrey (South)
Harding Park
Castle Pines


Underrated:

Pasa (most underrated course I've ever played...I miss it like I miss my mom's Fried Chicken)
Ballyneal (seriously)
Kingsley
Bandon Trails
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Matt Day

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2009, 11:06:41 PM »
after looking at what Sharp Park has to offer the public,environment and GCAers I'd put that in the underrated category
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Rob Rigg

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #16 on: October 01, 2009, 01:39:03 AM »
Overrated - Bandon Dunes

Underrated - Bandon Trails
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Rory Connaughton

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #17 on: October 01, 2009, 08:18:33 AM »
Portmarnock Golf Club is not overrated
Portmarnock Links is underrated
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Jud_T

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #18 on: October 01, 2009, 08:24:59 AM »
Ben, great call on Torrey.  Can't believe I missed it....Looks like I ran into a brick wall on Trails....
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Mike Hendren

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #19 on: October 01, 2009, 09:13:51 AM »
Most underrated:  Augusta National Golf Club
                         
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Mike Hendren

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2009, 10:42:23 AM »
I would disagree that Pebble Beach  is overrated.  While the new fairway bunkering at the 3rd and 14th are lamentable the golf course is a solid 9+ in my opinion.

While I am a huge fan of Lawsonia, I do not find it underrated at all.  In the same neighborhood for example, I think Raynor's Blue Mound, thanks to some fabulous work by the Doak firm,  is its equal. 

+1 to Bob Riggs comments about Bandon Trails and Bandon Dunes. 

Mike
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Carl Nichols

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2009, 02:24:56 PM »
I suppose it depends on what rankings/ratings you're talking about:  Portmarnock Golf Club is a really good course, but it's not #1 in Ireland, as one publication recently ranked it.  
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Scott Warren

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2009, 02:32:31 PM »
That I have played, I think:

Overrated:
St Enodoc
TOC (still a wonderful experience, but as a golf course alone I think it's not as good as Royal St George's, but better than anything else I have played)

Underrated:
New Zealand
North Berwick (West)
Trevose
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Kevin_Reilly

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2009, 02:47:38 PM »
Most overrated:  threads like this.  Lists of courses with no accountability to give reasons for why a course either exceeded or failed to live up to your expectations.

Sorry for raining on the parade.
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Mike Wagner

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Re: Most Overrated and Underrated courses
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2009, 02:51:46 PM »
Jud,

Why do you think Bandon Trails and Pebble are overrated?
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