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Melvyn Morrow

Re: X marks the spot -where holes cross each other
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2009, 11:01:29 AM »
For Slag

Old Tom's course at Cullen

What a fun course and such great value for money £22.00

Melvyn

Melvyn Morrow

Re: X marks the spot -where holes cross each other
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2009, 11:11:26 AM »

Mike

All lawyers should be made to play their ball if it goes into the water, be it a river, stream, pond or lake. Every stroke to count, that way it will keep them out of their offices, courts and out of line of play for the rest of us mere mortals to enjoy not just our game but lives as well. 8)

Of course, no real disrespect intended. Plus some exceptions for fellow Members of GCA.com – perhaps ;)

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Ken Moum

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Re: X marks the spot -where holes cross each other
« Reply #27 on: August 13, 2009, 09:23:15 AM »
I'm late to the party, but here's a course from central Kansas that you might find interesting. There's one fairway shared by four holes

My wife has played it, and when she was there, one of the members said, "It's surprosing more people don't get hit during tournaments." Which would have prompted me to ask how many do get hit.

The most interesting thing is that land where holes 5-7 are routed is apparently an addition. Originally all nine holes were on the right-hand portion.



Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

Norbert P

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Re: X marks the spot -where holes cross each other
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2009, 03:32:00 PM »
  This is a bump partly caused by the other thread about Comfort Zones but mostly to shift the discusion to whether we appreciate or abhor this feature on a golf course.  What are the benefits vs liabilties?    What say ye?

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Tim Leahy

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Re: X marks the spot -where holes cross each other
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2009, 07:22:41 PM »
Claremont CC (par-68) in Oakland, CA is built on a compact site (90 acres?) and has crossing holes (#4 & #7) on the front-9.

What is it about the Oakland hills, Sequoia CC also has cross holes, the only ones I have ever played.
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David Schofield

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Re: X marks the spot -where holes cross each other
« Reply #30 on: September 23, 2009, 07:28:29 PM »
Would the most recent example be Tot Hill Farm by Mike Strantz?  The 4th Tee is set into the hillside short and to the right of the 3rd Green.

JNC Lyon

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Re: X marks the spot -where holes cross each other
« Reply #31 on: September 23, 2009, 08:58:09 PM »
Hanover CC...owned by Dartmouth College.

Design had it origins with Ralph Barton and others....current course is a near-total redesign in 2002 by Ron Pritchard.

Holes 6 and 18 still cross though.  6 is a slight dogleg left par four of about 370, and 18 is a par 5 of 480.  Both tees are separated from their respective fairways by the Vale of Tempe, a deep ravine that cuts the course in two.  Those on the 18th tee have the right of way.

Brad,

This is a neat example, especially because when you stand on 6 tee it is visually difficult to realize that the holes cross.  From Dan Wexler's book Lost Links, there was originally a third nine (designed by Ralph Barton) that included a z-shaped par-five finisher through the ravine that currently divides the course.

As a side note, the course also includes back to back par threes, back to back short fours, a shared fairway between 8 and 9, and par fives in 3 of the last 4 holes (including 17 and 18).  Hanover CC is quite the layout.

Recent lengthening of courses for major championships seems to create some crossover holes.  I believe there was a cross in the course at Olympia Fields for the 2003 US Open.  At this year's Walker Cup, 3 and 6 at Merion shared a back tee for the Saturday singles, which created a slight cross in the course.
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