[Roger Wolfe]

I may be wrong... but I have seen an interesting dynamic in several cities
in regards to the "Best Country Club" and the "Best Golf Club."  There
are two clubs... the country club is known for its fine dining and exclusivity...
the golf club is known for an amazing golf experience.  The same members
belong to both clubs.  Usually a group from the fancy country club goes off
and builds another facility with "serious golfer" design, conditioning and difficulty.  
Here are some examples, that, in my opinion, fit this description (I may be mistaken)...
but I do not know the history of each:

Charlotte, NC:  Charlotte Country Club and Quail Hollow Club
Richmond, VA:  Country Club of Virginia and Kinloch
Winston-Salem, NC:  Forsyth Country Club and Old Town
Pittsburgh, PA:  Allegheny Country Club and Sewickley Heights Golf Club
Raleigh, NC:  Carolina Country Club and Old Chatham
Washington, DC (Maryland):  Congressional Country Club and The Members Club at Four Streams
Linville, NC:  Grandfather Country Club and Diamond Creek

1.  Can anyone else state any examples in another city?
2.  Can you elaborate on the history/origins of each club in that city?  Or the one's listed above?

[Ed Oden]

Roger, I think you are generally correct that "golfers clubs" often have their roots somewhere else.   I'm not sure it has to be only one place or even a country club.  At the end of the day, it seems to me golfers clubs tend to be the work of strong willed individuals more than anything else.  Its just that those individuals tend to go back to their social network as a starting point to carry out their vision.  Often times that seems to involve one or more other clubs where those individuals frequent.

As for Diamond Creek and Grandfather, there are certainly close ties between the two clubs.  And Diamond Creek is essentially a golfers club whereas Grandfather is full service and I think the experience/feel at the two clubs is reflective of that perception.  Of course, you can play some great golf and have a top notch meal at both.  You just can't go to the beach for a swim afterwards at Diamond Creek. 

Doesn't Pine Valley really fit this mold as well, its genesis spawned in a bevy of Philly area clubs?

Ed

[Mark Pritchett]

CC of Indianapolis-Crooked Stick-Wolf Run
Augusta CC-Sage Valley
Chattanooga G&CC-Honors Course
CC of Birmingham-Shoal Creek

[John Foley]

Great topic.

I've thought about that becasue here in Rochester NY there is not a "2nd golf only" club. Cobblestone Creek was that when it opened, but no longer.

It would be ineresting to note how many of these second clubs stay low key on the amenities to keep the costs down and the value of the golf only up.

Doesn't Stonewall & The Dunes fall into this category, though I don't think that either are driven out from one central club as the other examples?

[Roger Wolfe]

I was told the following last night:

Columbus, OH:  Muirfield Village - Golf Club at New Albany

Is the Dormie Club an offshoot of CCNC or Forest Creek in Pinehurst?

[Jed Peters]

SF Bay Area: SFGC-CPC

Would that fit?

[Mike Benham]

Olympic Club - Downtown
Olympic Club - Lakeside

There are numerous members that never go to the "other" facility ...

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