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Adam_F_Collins

Golf Games - Do you know any 'others'?
« on: September 10, 2009, 11:08:35 AM »
We all know Stroke Play and Match Play. We know Four Ball and Best Ball.

But do any of you know of others? Perhaps lesser known, or made-up games? I wonder if there are golf games that create different interactions with the course - due to different goals and thus different strategic requirements...

Is there room for new games to be developed which might change they way we view the architecture of the course? Or are we all such purists that we can't tear ourselves from stroke and match to try new things?

JSPayne

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Re: Golf Games - Do you know any 'others'?
« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2009, 11:18:49 AM »
Are you trying to think about only one-on-one games? Or are you considering team games as well, like scramble, shamble etc?

There are plenty of "other" games out there, but are you looking for games worthy of serious competition, that can/would be used in tournament format? Or any games, including the possibly goofy and "fun" versions?
"To be nobody but yourself in a world which is doing it's best, night and day, to make you everybody else means to fight the hardest battle any human being can fight; and never stop fighting." -E.E. Cummings

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Golf Games - Do you know any 'others'?
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2009, 11:32:23 AM »
Greensomes is a good game to bring in an element of strategic thinking on how to approach a hole from the tee....

Ken Moum

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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2009, 11:41:04 AM »
Foursomes and Chapman both call for a different approach to the course, especially if your partner is your wife  8).  It's easily the most mentally demanding form of golf, IMHO, because you know your partner is going to have to deal with your mistakes.  Worse, you have to deal with their mistakes.

Any quota system, such as Stableford or the Chicago points--which I hate--is a very different approach to the game mostly because big numbers don't hurt you as much as low numbers help you. (FWIW, I hate Chicago because the points double with a one-stroke improvement)

The common weekend game that pays off for big skins or birdies also changes the way smart golfers approach the game. My brother, who has played in those games for a couple decades, plays WAY more aggressively than I do. In his regular game, total score doesn't pay anything, but if he makes six birdies and eight bogeys he's likely to cash in.

A shamble is a good format because shows everyone the value of good driving.

Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

Scott Warren

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Re: Golf Games - Do you know any 'others'?
« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2009, 11:44:46 AM »
Jesus H Christ Schmidt... I had enough trouble following Sean A's "bits".

We used to play worst-ball two-man ambrose (scramble as the US calls it) at home, with each team nominating which of the two balls the other team had to play after each shot. Nothing makes you learn to hit good recoveries better than that!

Ken Moum

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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2009, 11:45:27 AM »
(when I was a kid I started out playing for dimes or quarters to start, now it's usually $1 or $5 to start):


A and B get the umbrella (6, which doubles to 12 and doubles again to 24 because of the press).  So now A and B go from down 13 to suddenly up 9. 


If you play that bad boy for $5 a point and press, it's no longer a friendly little game where come from....

But then any game that ends up with close to $500 riding on one hole is WAY out of my league.

Ken
Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

Martin Toal

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Re: Golf Games - Do you know any 'others'?
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2009, 11:48:13 AM »
A bogey competition, or versus par, is a good format.

You play matchplay against the course, with your handicap allowance given, and play all 18 holes, ending up x holes up, down or all square.

My old club used to also have a flag competition. You take the par of the course, add (or subtract if a + man) your handicap and play out your allocation. The fun part is that the winner is the player who gets round the course the farthest. You may have a player, say a 5 handicap, who has played the regular 18 holes in 73 shots (par 72 plus 1 more), thus has 4 shots left after to carry on down the first again, and they get a par-4, so end up in the hole. Another player, say a 7 handicap, plays the regular 18 holes in 75, (par 72 plus 3 more) leaving them the same 4 shots left over, but they birdie the first and have another shot left over to tee off on the second and thus beats the first player.

When I used to play this at the club, the winner often finished the second (par-3) hole to win, and sometimes the winner had birdied the extra 2 holes and beat someone who squandered a larger number of shots.

There is also fourball worstball. You play fourball in the conventional manner, but your opponents nominate the shot you have to choose to play from.

Tim Bert

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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2009, 12:14:06 PM »
Adam - Here's an alternative for you.  Particularly useful when playing a match with John Mayhugh.

http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,30935.msg600803/


Kalen Braley

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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2009, 12:39:47 PM »
Whatever happened to good old Stableford?

We'd modify it so birds were worth 5, pars 2, bogeys 0, double bogeys -1, triples or worse -3.  This really got the action going especially knowing that a birdie could really get u back in the game.  Me and buddies don't get eagles so we didn't even have to worry about having a score in there for that one!!  ;D

The other game I've palyed alot is Pig.  Pretty simple.  The guy who tees 1st on each tee rotates regardless of score.  1st guy tees off and he can choose the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th person who tees off to be his partner.  The catch is he must pick the person before the next guy tees off....Or he can call pig and play the other 3 straight out.  Which ever person on each team had the best score on the hole, that team wins for that hole.  So if you go Pig, you can either triple yer money, or triple the payout :)

PCCraig

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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2009, 01:24:29 PM »
Jesus H Christ Schmidt... I had enough trouble following Sean A's "bits".

It's not that complicated.  Ask Jim Franklin.  I dragged him into one of these games a few years ago and he walked away 3 figures richer because his ace partner drained a bomb for a blitz on # 18 for 6 for 12 for 24 for 48 for 96!  ;D

It's never fun being down 200-something points after 18, but that's what the emergency 3 holes are for!
H.P.S.

Steve Kline

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Re: Golf Games - Do you know any 'others'?
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2009, 01:34:12 PM »
There are four players. Set a rotation of partners prior to the start of play. For example, to start it's A & B vs. C & D. Then it would be A & C vs. B & D and finally A & D vs. B & C. The game is a simple hi-lo - you get a point if your team has the low score or your opponents have the high score. In the first match each time a team goes from ahead to behind - or the score crosses 0 - the bet doubles. The first match is played until one team is ahead by three points. When the first match is over, the next match starts. This way if the match is competitive then the teams stay the same and amount up grab goes up. If the match is not competitive then it ends quickly, the amount lost is small, and a new match starts. The most I've ever started the bet is a dollar. I had one match where the teams never changed and the bet got up to $32. Sometimes we also add a Broom and Dustpan. If you win all the matches you are the Broom and get a predetermined amount from the other three players. If you lose all three matches you are the Dustpan and pay the other three players a predetermined amount.

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Golf Games - Do you know any 'others'?
« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2009, 01:38:53 PM »

The Glorious 7th of October. The day each year comes around so slowly yet, it is the only day on the calendar that all serious golf players find it hard to wait for. The anticipation is unbearable for some of the old timers from high in the Glen. Not surprising as it is only open for less than 12 hours and you have to bag what you can in that short timescale.

The super keen ‘Slevins’ have been known to stake out certain courses way before the break of dawn. The important part of the game is not just to bag as many as you can during daylight hours, but to be able to quickly and quietly proceed to other courses. Once satisfied with their tally – which I must say can be rather considerable, these canny old men & a few women disappear into the dusk having already planned their escape bring a close that most new and modern tradition recently introduced into the Highlands.

The Police are always on guard and believe they know the identity of the ring lead, but regrettably no evidence.

So to all I nominate the ‘Slevins’ on that most precious of days The Glorious 7th October.

Oh nearly forgot, you, I expect will like to know how to play. Well it is not clay pigeon shooting on carts, however the shooting of the Carts themselves. As each herds clears the first Tee, normally lead by the Matriarch, very little is undertaken until they disperse to their various positions, generally a straggler is quickly spotted and is picked off by the well-aimed shot. However, once the Carts suspicions have been raised, their game improves and start grouping, making it difficult to execute with extreme prejudice any lone Cart.

Once the word is out that the ‘Slevins’ are on the course, they tend to make a hasty retreat to another nearby free ranging Carting course, whilst keeping a close eye on the time.

Some of the most professionals and successful Slevins have the walls of their homes covered with the front screens and wheels of these ubiquities monsters. Police have announced that they expect a breakthrough anytime as they are following leads and seeking builders who specialise in reinforcing gable walls in the old crofts. They hope to break the news after the 7th of October this year that they have broken the largest Cart culling ring in the history of Scotland. However, from a reliable source apparently close to the Slevins, it appears that they may be changing tack and prefer electronic aids as apparently they can mount them on their walls without the need of builders. On hearing this unsettling news the Police are somewhat at a loss as to what to do, if these electronic devices are the new targets of these wild Highland folk.
 
If you feel you are being stalked, that someone is eyeing up your Pathfinder instead of your wife, then you are advised to note the description of said individual and report your suspicions to the Police.

Finally, reports have been made that the Police do not expect this variation of the game to be exported to The Americas. If it does, it will decimate their game leaving many stranded and lost throughout their courses.

So beware the 7th of October and the Glorious Slevins, they may be in your neighbourhood soon – God help you.

From a ‘Lucky Number Slevin’ Member


Bill_McBride

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Re: Golf Games - Do you know any 'others'?
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2009, 02:06:42 PM »

The other game I've palyed alot is Pig.  Pretty simple.  The guy who tees 1st on each tee rotates regardless of score.  1st guy tees off and he can choose the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th person who tees off to be his partner.  The catch is he must pick the person before the next guy tees off....Or he can call pig and play the other 3 straight out.  Which ever person on each team had the best score on the hole, that team wins for that hole.  So if you go Pig, you can either triple yer money, or triple the payout :)

Pig sounds a lot like Wolf. 

There is a guy in Monterey who will be happy to teach you the fine points of Wolf for a modest fee.   ;D

Adrian_Stiff

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« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2009, 02:17:27 PM »
Yellowsomes, which is like Greensomes played in matchplay format but where the opponents select what tee shot you play, then foursomes from there. Yellowball better ball is a matchplay format where the worst score per side plays each other,this game can actual add a skill of just keep playing safe, some of the pro's used to play it for big money adding pressure of just making pars.
A combination of whats good for golf and good for turf.
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Kalen Braley

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« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2009, 02:47:36 PM »
Dave,

Sorry to hear you played golf with at least one schmuck over the years.  Glad to hear the other 2 guys were reasonable about it all.

But this doesn't seem to be a side-effect of the game, just at a douchebag you happened to be playing with!!  ;D

Mike Wagner

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« Reply #15 on: September 10, 2009, 02:50:05 PM »
Here's one my friends and I created, and we now don't play anything else...it's called The Grind.

It's a modified skins game.

Regular skins (net) - each hole worth a point...with carry overs.  Player winning a hole must make (net) par or better on the next hole to keep the skins.

Birdies, poleys (putt for par or better outside the flag...no 2 putt poleys either), stickies (GIR inside flag stick), chip ins, sandies (up and downs only), eagles (worth two).

Here's the major twist: we wanted a game to get tournament ready and keep players in the game who were out of the hole.  3 putts and doubles are (-1) each on the front 9 and (-2) each on the back.  

You'll be surprised how much it can turn at any time.  The 3 putt double on the back is brutal!

We always play a standard $5 for the player with the most points.  Anyway, you could modify it 100 different ways, but it keeps everyone interested.  You can do it in teams of 2 as well with combined points.

jonathan_becker

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« Reply #16 on: September 10, 2009, 02:50:38 PM »
I know a few guys in the western suburbs of chicago that play a game called "a buck a yard".  :o  It's pretty simple.....match play for 18 holes, pick a set of tees and play for the yardage amount.  Each hole is worth the yardage for that hole.

I do not play this game.  ;D

Doug Wright

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« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2009, 02:59:34 PM »
I play a 3 man game called 9 points. Each hole has 9 points. If you win the hole outright you get 5 points, 2d outright gets 3 and 3rd outright gets 1. Two ties for low and 3rd outright is 4-4-1, win and 2 ties is 5-2-2, all 3 tie is 3-3-3.  
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Bob_Huntley

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« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2009, 03:06:09 PM »
My issue with pig/wolf is that it creates 18 chances for confusion.

I once had this happen to me in a high-roller best-ball wolf game.

I was wolf on #17 at a club in far northwest chicago suburb, a par 3 with OB left.

I dive hooked it left, OB.

The next guy hit, and missed the green.  He was the worst player of the 4 of us anyway, and he wasn't getting a shot, so I left him alone.

Then next guy hit and hit it on the green, but fairly far from the pin.  He was the best player in the group, so I said "Nice shot, pards"

The third guy hit it closer, and turns around and looks at me.

I say nothing. I reload.  I hit it fat into the bunker.

(At this point, I'm basically out of the hole, playing cheerleader for my partner to tie).  

My guy makes 3 and the guy who hit it close misses his putt and makes 3.

I express relief at there being no blood - "whew!".

The third guy whirls around to me and say "what are you talking about...you didn't pick a partner....you went wolf".

The first guy agrees and then the second guy (the guy I said "nice shot pards"' to) says "I didn't hear anything".

I'm looking at these guys in disbelief and say "guys, I hit it O-FRICKING-B....of course I picked a partner...it was my only chance...I said "nice shot, pards" to Joe (not his real name) as soon as he hit. What do you think "pards" means??"

Guys 1 and 2 relented, realizing how stupid it would have been go to wolf when you're OB but still said "we didn't hear anything, but if you say you said it, then you said it".

The third guy would have none of that, babbling on with "I didn't hear anything",  "nobody heard anything" "you owe 3X" bla bla bla.  

I refused to pay the crook - a pretty well-known one at that - but it certainly ended a friendship ... it was the only time I've never paid somebody in my life.


David,

And you were quite right to do so. As long as one intimates that the striker has been approved by you to be his partner is good enough. However, it must be done so that everyone hears it. We did have some confusion once when playing in a fivesome. One player said something like 'Good shot, pard" or something similar to an exceptionally good drive. Along the way, the exceptionally good drive was deposited somewhere in the vicinity of Spanish Bay and on my next shot I was surprised to hear him calling me 'partner.' Nothing was said, but sadly he no longer plays with us.


Bob

Kalen Braley

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« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2009, 03:11:22 PM »
BTW, Kalen...

there is such a thing around Chicago played fairly frequently called roll/re-roll, where once the team leading hits, the team that's losing can "roll" them (ie, press, just for that hole), but if they do that, after they've hit, the team that hit first can re-roll them.  This has the effect of turning a $1 per point game into a $2 per point game for that hole, and then the re-roll makes it $4 per point.  So in a roll/reroll scotch game, the points are 6-for-12 X 4 = $48 for an umbie.

WARNING TO ALL:  the following may make your head explode...

Yes, there is such a thing as a roll/reroll wolf scotch game.  If you're wolf, once you pick, the other two guys can roll you and then you can re-roll them back.  And if you declare wolf, the other 3 can roll you and you can re-roll them back.  

Lol.

I think I'll stick to the simple version of the game...it can't be a good thing when I have to use more brain power on the golf course than what I would normally use in the typical work day can it?   ;D

Jeff Goldman

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« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2009, 03:25:50 PM »
Shivas,

Took me most of the first year to understand it; before then, it was just "what do I owe?".  I truly began to appreciate the game a couple years ago when buddy Andy Revell made a 192 point birdie on 14 North (couple of presses, roll and re-roll (we call them "twist and retwist.")  My 6 saved the day for us on that one.  ;D 

Seems like the Scotch game is unique to Chicago.  Lots of folks here play it, but nobody outside of here does.

Jeff
That was one hellacious beaver.

Jim Franklin

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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2009, 03:33:00 PM »
Jesus H Christ Schmidt... I had enough trouble following Sean A's "bits".

It's not that complicated.  Ask Jim Franklin.  I dragged him into one of these games a few years ago and he walked away 3 figures richer because his ace partner drained a bomb for a blitz on # 18 for 6 for 12 for 24 for 48 for 96!  ;D

That was truly an amazing day. I had a nice birdie on #16 after a press too if you recall ;D.
Mr Hurricane

Jim Franklin

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« Reply #22 on: September 10, 2009, 03:57:13 PM »
I have been trying to teach the game to my regulars, but they think I am trying to pull a fast one on them.
Mr Hurricane

Jason Topp

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« Reply #23 on: September 10, 2009, 03:57:29 PM »
BTW, Kalen...

there is such a thing around Chicago played fairly frequently called roll/re-roll, where once the team leading hits, the team that's losing can "roll" them (ie, press, just for that hole), but if they do that, after they've hit, the team that hit first can re-roll them.  This has the effect of turning a $1 per point game into a $2 per point game for that hole, and then the re-roll makes it $4 per point.  So in a roll/reroll scotch game, the points are 6-for-12 X 4 = $48 for an umbie.

WARNING TO ALL:  the following may make your head explode...

Yes, there is such a thing as a roll/reroll wolf scotch game.  If you're wolf, once you pick, the other two guys can roll you and then you can re-roll them back.  And if you declare wolf, the other 3 can roll you and you can re-roll them back.  


Roll 'em is a common game at Hazeltine.  It gets out of hand pretty easily
« Last Edit: September 10, 2009, 04:02:20 PM by Jason Topp »

Adrian_Stiff

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« Reply #24 on: September 10, 2009, 03:59:09 PM »
I play a 3 man game called 9 points. Each hole has 9 points. If you win the hole outright you get 5 points, 2d outright gets 3 and 3rd outright gets 1. Two ties for low and 3rd outright is 4-4-1, win and 2 ties is 5-2-2, all 3 tie is 3-3-3.  
Similat to what we call AMERICAN POINTS  6 points effectivey at stake. winner +4 points 2nd placed +2 3rd placed zero. winner but with two opponents tying is 4-1-1, which netts down to 3-0-0, an outright loser is 3-3-0,
A combination of whats good for golf and good for turf.
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