[Tim Gavrich]

Geoff Ogilvy played Wannamoisett today and had the following to say on Twitter:

In responding to someone who asked what he shot, he said, "1 over. 3 birds and 4 bogs. It may be a hair short, but its as much course as I need"

If Wannamoisett is "a hair short" at par 69 and about 6,600 yards, then we need to get Ogilvy in the GCA business.  The man knows better than anyone what would challenge him and his peers.  Any thoughts?

Cheers.

[Jason Walker]

Tim-
It was none other than yours truly who asked what he shot. 

Wannamoisett is a great place; was fortunate to have a member friend when I lived in Newport in the mid 90's.   It's definitely as much course as you need, but great to hear a well regarded tour pro say that.

[JNC Lyon]

Geoff Ogilvy proves once again that he knows, understands, and appreciates golf course architecture and the traditions of the game more than 99% of all tour pros.

[Michael Moore]

Green Light Special is proudly publishing a hand-drawn yardage guide for Wannamoisett this fall.

New tees have been added to push this par 69 course out to 6732 yards. With par fours measuring 430, 505, 438, 437, 453, 444, and 456, most golfers will have their hands full.

Wannamoisett is surely one of the finest courses in New England. Like Ross's Longmeadow, it's a course that has always been ready for whatever the equipment technologists can come up with.

[Phil McDade]

Wannamoisett is surely one of the finest courses in New England. Like Ross's Longmeadow, it's a course that has always been ready for whatever the equipment technologists can come up with.

Why is that? I'm intrigued by courses that -- perhaps like WF and Oakmont -- have been able to handle changes over the years. With Oakmont and to some extent WF, I'm guessing greens play a large role in that. How about Wannamoisett -- what is it about the architecture/design that makes it accomodate and continue to challenge today's players despite technology? Is it the US answer to Rye?

[jeffwarne]

Wannamoisett is surely one of the finest courses in New England. Like Ross's Longmeadow, it's a course that has always been ready for whatever the equipment technologists can come up with.

Why is that? I'm intrigued by courses that -- perhaps like WF and Oakmont -- have been able to handle changes over the years. With Oakmont and to some extent WF, I'm guessing greens play a large role in that. How about Wannamoisett -- what is it about the architecture/design that makes it accomodate and continue to challenge today's players despite technology? Is it the US answer to Rye?

You want pros to shoot around par-chop 10 yards of three of the par 5's at your par 72 course and you've got par 69-
doesn't make it a better test though

No doubt these courses mentioned are all great,but pro's scores in relation to par don't make it so.

[Dave_Miller]

Wannamoisett is surely one of the finest courses in New England. Like Ross's Longmeadow, it's a course that has always been ready for whatever the equipment technologists can come up with.

Why is that? I'm intrigued by courses that -- perhaps like WF and Oakmont -- have been able to handle changes over the years. With Oakmont and to some extent WF, I'm guessing greens play a large role in that. How about Wannamoisett -- what is it about the architecture/design that makes it accomodate and continue to challenge today's players despite technology? Is it the US answer to Rye?

You want pros to shoot around par-chop 10 yards of three of the par 5's at your par 72 course and you've got par 69-
doesn't make it a better test though

No doubt these courses mentioned are all great,but pro's scores in relation to par don't make it so.

As far as I'm concerned I could care less what the pros shoot at Wannamoisett.  It is a great golf couse. Has some of the best par 4's anywhere along with Greens that can rival greens anywhere.
Best
Dave

[Michael Moore]

How about Wannamoisett -- what is it about the architecture/design that makes it accomodate and continue to challenge today's players despite technology?

Phil -

In the case of Wannamoisett and Longmeadow, I just chalk it up to a great number of holes in the 440-460 yard range. I don't know if these used to be par fives, I don't know what the state of equipment was in 1914, and I don't know if Don Ross was especially interested in designing for the tee shots of 2009.

Alls I know is that you had better hit a good tee shot on these holes.

P.S. I am weary of the one dimensional equation of "makes you think" to "strategic options". These holes really make you think. They make you think "I had better nut this tee shot" ! !

[Tim Gerrish]

I try to go over to Wannamoisett every year when they hold the Northeast Am June.  I have played the course a couple times and often wonder why "we" aren't building more courses like this.  I think the course is on 140 acres or so, and it helps that it is private.  But they often hold outings.

The number of long par 4's that are plus 440 yards and long par 3's is staggering ( 2, 4, 6, 9, 12, 15, 16 and 18).  Several of the shorter holes are hard to hit driver.  Add to that many of the longer 4's have difficult approaches (2 and 9 especially) plus some testy greens and you've got one heck of a course. 

[Dan_Callahan]

At a course like Longmeadow, whether intentional or not I thought many holes had very bumpy fairways in the landing areas. So I would often get no roll or sometimes the ball upon landing would roll back toward the tee. On a 440-yard par 4, getting no roll or negative roll often leaves a very long second. Perhaps that is just a quirk of the property, because the same isn't true at the Orchards, also a Ross course that is in the same part of the country.

[Ulrich Mayring]

Wrong thread, sorry.

Ulrich

[Brad Tufts]

Does anyone have or know of a good photo tour of Wannamoisett?

I feel like the only hole I have seen is the little par 3 3rd that appears on the DRS logo, and there are only about 6 pics on Ran's review.

[Joel_Stewart]

I try to go over to Wannamoisett every year when they hold the Northeast Am June.  I have played the course a couple times and often wonder why "we" aren't building more courses like this.  I think the course is on 140 acres or so, and it helps that it is private.  But they often hold outings.

The number of long par 4's that are plus 440 yards and long par 3's is staggering ( 2, 4, 6, 9, 12, 15, 16 and 18).  Several of the shorter holes are hard to hit driver.  Add to that many of the longer 4's have difficult approaches (2 and 9 especially) plus some testy greens and you've got one heck of a course. 

I always thought it was less than 100 acres?   It's one of the great routings in the world.  There is only 1 par 5 but I have to agree that there is no let up, a very difficult golf course. 

I wonder if Ogilvy went there for an outing or took the time to see it on his own?  Crenshaw and Faldo are the only two players I know who use to seek out courses for their own examination.

[Ronald Montesano]

Why, ask I, did they feel the need to add a whopping 130 yards to the course?  About 7 yards average per hole.  Seems contradictory to what it apparently represents.

[Andrew Mitchell]

A bit of a thread shift but Ogilvy played Prestwick with journalist John Huggan the week of the Scottish Open at Loch Lomond, playing with a persimmon driver and a balata ball.  He found it huge fun, wishing the Tour played more courses like Prestwick.

There is a write up in the current issue of Golf World UK.  Unfortunately I can't find an online version 

[Dan Herrmann]

Jason - you should invite Mr. O to join us over here on gca.com.  Like you, I really think he gets GCA.

[Kalen Braley]

Jason - you should invite Mr. O to join us over here on gca.com.  Like you, I really think he gets GCA.

If he signs on, the north gets him for the next KP though... 

[Tim Gerrish]

Joel,  You are right on with the routing.  Amazing use of the land.  I measured a quick 112-115 AC  and today we "need" 200.  hogwash!

[Doug Wright]

I wonder if Ogilvy went there for an outing or took the time to see it on his own?  Crenshaw and Faldo are the only two players I know who use to seek out courses for their own examination.

Joel,

I think he went there on his own, or at least not as part of an organized event.

[Cliff Hamm]

I always thought it was less than 100 acres?   It's one of the great routings in the world.  There is only 1 par 5 but I have to agree that there is no let up, a very difficult golf course. 

I wonder if Ogilvy went there for an outing or took the time to see it on his own?  Crenshaw and Faldo are the only two players I know who use to seek out courses for their own examination.




Many of the tour pros will play local courses other than the event venue to prepare.  The Deutsche Bank is about a half an hour or so from Wanamoisett.

Providence is also the home of Triggs a wonderful Ross muni.  Played there a couple years ago and the gal in the clubhouse told a great story about Rich Beem having played Triggs the day before.  Seems he and his caddy headed for Federal Hill (home of great Italian food) for a lunch.  Lunch was accompanied by some, maybe more than some, drinks.  Decided he wanted to play golf and headed over to Triggs.  The rest is history.  Triggs and Wammamoisett are both quality golf but on opposite ends of the social spectrum.

[Wayne Wiggins, Jr.]

Heard that a couple pros, Adam Scott and Sergio among them, were at Wanni for an event, and they all raved about the course.

[Garland Bayley]

Jason - you should invite Mr. O to join us over here on gca.com.  Like you, I really think he gets GCA.

If he signs on, the north gets him for the next KP though... 

If Mike Clayton can get GO to sign up, and Ian Andrew can get MW to sign up. Then you don't have to give Kalen a compass and teach him where Arizona and Australia are. MW can play for north, GO for south.

[Anthony Butler]

Heard that a couple pros, Adam Scott and Sergio among them, were at Wanni for an event, and they all raved about the course.

What is the most significant event Wannamoisett has ever held?

People in Boston remark about the tightness of Charles River's property. I have only driven by Wannamoisett once, but from what I saw CRCC looked spacious in comparison. Size wise it was more like Winchester, another Ross design in the Boston area which is REALLY tight.

Throw in Metacomet and Ross really showcased his skill at building courses on limited acreage in New England.

[K. Krahenbuhl]

What is the most significant event Wannamoisett has ever held?

They played a PGA Championship there in the 30's.

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