[Anthony Gray]

  Warning: Off Topic

  An US immigrant wins a major.

  I love it. What other US immigrants have made contributions to golf in the US? C B Mcdonald? Was't Bobby Jones's boyhood coach an immigrant to the US?  Our current PGA Champion has just moved to the US with his wife and three children.

  Anthony

[Carl Rogers]

To me the issue becomes when the Asian-Pacific part of the world (given their growing economic power) commands or demands that "major" pro golf events be held across the Pacific?!  Can golf have 5 or 6 "majors"?

[Bob_Huntley]

  Warning: Off Topic

  An US immigrant wins a major.

  I love it. What other US immigrants have made contributions to golf in the US? C B Mcdonald? Was't Bobby Jones's boyhood coach an immigrant to the US?  Our current PGA Champion has just moved to the US with his wife and three children.

  Anthony

Anthony,


There are a bunch, the last one may have been Tommy Armour.

[Phil_the_Author]

There are quite a number of them from Donald Ross as an architect to Greg Norman to Anika Sorenstam...

[Tom MacWood]

Anthony
Do you have problem with giving a Korean his due?

[Garland Bayley]

Anthony
Do you have problem with giving a Korean his due?

Anthony has not problem giving a Korean their due. Anthony gives Fujians their due. He gives Dominicans their due. He gives lots of people their due.

[Tom_Doak]

Anthony:

C.B. Macdonald was an American citizen by birth, just so you know.  His family was from Scotland and he went there to live with his grandfather for a while as a teen, but that does not make him an immigrant.

There are lots of other immigrants you could cite correctly instead.

[Steve_ Shaffer]

 See: " Nation of Immigrants" published in 1958 and written by John F. Kennedy

This thread is not breaking news. We are indeed a nation of immigrants. We even allow professional golfers to live and make a living here. The list of current resident golfers,many of whom are major winners, includes Ogilvy, Casey, Els, Elkington, Norman, Sorenstam, Webb, Pak, Tsen,etc.

[Tiger_Bernhardt]

This is not a good topic and reflects negative thoughts. Congrats to the champ. He earned it the right way.

[Doug Siebert]

The "test" of the cheater line recommended here is pointless because you can divide golfers into two categories:

1) those who are able to line themselves up correctly without the cheater line
2) those who cannot

Those of us who can line ourselves up correctly, or at least would like to think we can, would not see any benefit from trying the cheater line.  It could even make things worse - if for example I think I'm lined up correctly but I actually aim it 2* right but pull all my putts 2* left.

Personally I don't think I'd want to do it even if I didn't feel it was against the spirit of the rules and slowed play because I just don't know how the hell you line your ball up on a putt with lots of break.  My home course's greens are extremely slopey and putts with 90* of break are not at all uncommon.  Pace matters A LOT on such putts, and I generally am fiddling with where I'm lining up as I'm over the putt and sort of "feel" the right combination of pace and direction for a given putt before I pull the trigger based on how aggressive I feel I want to be and where I think a miss will end up and what kind of second putt I'm willing to accept.  If I had to figure that all out then try to adjust the line the guys in the group behind would shoot me!  Its fine for the flat greens pros usually play I suppose, and they have thousands of hours of practice putting green strokes so they know how hard they'll hit any given putt without going through what I do adjusting it right before the putt.

Its funny because I know I DO actually have problems with alignment, I figured out long ago I was aiming right and pulling my full shots.  If I feel like I'm lined up down the middle of a fairway off the tee I'm actually aimed at the right edge.  So I finally cured that a few years ago by going to the Nicklaus method of aiming at a spot a few feet in front of me, and do that for any shot over about 30 yards or so.  I may well have the same issue on the greens, but my "good putting" versus "poor putting" days have more to do with whether I'm stroking the club straight back and through.  On days when I can do that I putt well, on other days its just not straight for whatever reason and I'm struggling.  A cheater line wouldn't help me, as a putt aimed correctly but stroked crooked will miss for sure.  At least if I may also aim wrong I've got a chance

[Anthony Gray]

Anthony
Do you have problem with giving a Korean his due?

  Tom,

  I stated above I love it. I think it is good for golf.

  On a side note my aunt is an immigrant from Pusan Korea. The family would take summer vacations to Myrtle Beach every year during miners vacation. The year JAWS came out, my uncle and I were riding the waves on the rafts that take three hours to blow up on a very crowded beach at a campground. My korean aunt takes of running toward the water shouting SHARK!! SHARK!! at the top of her lungs. You should have seen the mass exodus out of the water. When everybody got to shore we looked back and there were dolphins breaking the water just off shore.

  Anthony

 

[Anthony Gray]

Anthony:

C.B. Macdonald was an American citizen by birth, just so you know.  His family was from Scotland and he went there to live with his grandfather for a while as a teen, but that does not make him an immigrant.

There are lots of other immigrants you could cite correctly instead.

  I was thinking Ross but typed Macdonald.......On this subject...How old was Ross when he came to the states? And how old was Macdonald when he ventured back to Scotland and started his life in golf?

  Anthony

[Ronald Montesano]

Alert to Air Force:  Doug Siebert just parachuted in from another thread.

[Anthony Gray]

This is not a good topic and reflects negative thoughts. Congrats to the champ. He earned it the right way.

  Tiger,

  I do not understand the reflects negative thoughts. My wife is an immigrant and has a green card. Many people do not realize how difficult the immigration process is. It gave me a warm feeling to hear the announcer say the golfer just moved to the states with his wife and three kids. My first thought was great for him and his family knowing that it is a long, costly, and difficult process. My wife was three months pregnant and was detained by homeland security for two hours after our last trip to her country at the Atlanta airport. I was told by an immigration official to leave her behind and go catch my next flight. So I agree with you when you say "congrats to the champ".

  Anthony

[John_Cullum]

Anthony:

C.B. Macdonald was an American citizen by birth, just so you know.  His family was from Scotland and he went there to live with his grandfather for a while as a teen, but that does not make him an immigrant.

There are lots of other immigrants you could cite correctly instead.

  I was thinking Ross but typed Macdonald.......On this subject...How old was Ross when he came to the states? And how old was Macdonald when he ventured back to Scotland and started his life in golf?

  Anthony

Typical of Anthony, trying to take a perfectly good OT Thread and make it about architecture.

[Ross Tuddenham]

To me the issue becomes when the Asian-Pacific part of the world (given their growing economic power) commands or demands that "major" pro golf events be held across the Pacific?!  Can golf have 5 or 6 "majors"?

No

But can three of them remian in the USA?

[Mike_Young]

Anthony,
Thousands.....most of the courses done in the last 20 years have had considerable immigrant labor used.....and many of these guys are extremely talented.....so they made a huge contribution.....

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