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Ed Oden

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Can one hole define the whole?
« on: August 15, 2009, 09:39:30 PM »
I've noticed lately how often people focus on a single hole when discussing their opinion of a course.  Can one hole really determine your view (positively or negatively) of an entire course?
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Can one hole define the whole?
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2009, 09:44:28 PM »
No.

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Tom_Doak

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Re: Can one hole define the whole?
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2009, 10:16:05 PM »
It can.

But it shouldn't.
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Chris Flamion

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Re: Can one hole define the whole?
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2009, 10:27:53 PM »
Can a Single hole define a course?

No, regardless of how good or how great one whole is it can not over power the rest of the course.  However, it can weight heavily on ones mind when thinking of a course and have a greater effect on someones perception than it should which leads to people talking about certain holes more than the whole of the course.
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Chip Gaskins

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Re: Can one hole define the whole?
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2009, 10:29:24 PM »
Certainly no one good hole does, but it seems that one bad hole might....which doesn't seem to be fair.
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Anthony Gray

Re: Can one hole define the whole?
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2009, 10:30:10 PM »

  I had a great desire to play the postage stamp but not so much Troon. So the day before I played Prestwick I snuck on and played the postage stamp. Don't tell.

  Anthony

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Anthony Gray

Re: Can one hole define the whole?
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2009, 10:32:01 PM »


  I would also guess that Sawgrass would get les play if not for 17.

   Anthony

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Ed Oden

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Re: Can one hole define the whole?
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2009, 10:54:50 PM »
Quote from: Chip Gaskins on August 15, 2009, 10:29:24 PM
Certainly no one good hole does, but it seems that one bad hole might....which doesn't seem to be fair.

Chip, I think you are right that this seems to occur more in a negative context than a positive.  But I just don't get it.  Other than Shinnecock, every course I have played has at least one less than stellar hole. 
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Ed Oden

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Re: Can one hole define the whole?
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2009, 10:59:17 PM »
Quote from: Joe Bausch on August 15, 2009, 09:44:28 PM
No.



Joe, as Hobson (John Gielgud) said in Arthur, "You obviously have a wonderful economy with words". ;D
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Adam Clayman

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Re: Can one hole define the whole?
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2009, 11:11:00 PM »
No way does the 8th at Pebble define the whole. Or, the 16th at Cypress.

Neither does the worst hole on anyone course define the whole.

Maybe for those formulaic types that have to have all their dicks in a row.  (not a typo)
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Scott Henderson

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Re: Can one hole define the whole?
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2009, 11:31:11 PM »
I agree that one hole cannot (or at least should not) define an entire course. I also agree that a bad hole has more influence on one's opinion than a single great hole, but that is true with just about any subject - there is an adage in marketing that says that it takes many positive customer experiences to offset one negative experience.
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Carl Rogers

Re: Can one hole define the whole?
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2009, 09:25:39 AM »
The first hole at Riverfront sets out the many of the basic themes for the entire course:

 ... a seemingly wide fairway with areas of which are just over your visual horizon, but the strategically best tee shot line of play well defended ... difficult to straight forward flagstick locations ... baleout approach areas at the green complex that are really not that way at all ... less ferocious green side bunkering than it appears to be from the fairway... a little subtle slight of hand on the roll of the land surface and the subtle play of perspective (lengthening and fore-shortening) that is unexpected on a 'flat' piece of property ... difficult approach putting and green reading test
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