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Tony_Muldoon

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O/T? Two weeks in St Andrews.
« on: August 09, 2009, 05:13:19 PM »
With a blackberry.

I hope this will prove inyersting to a group who have all read expert golfers and travel writers on this subject.  I am put in mind of Patric Dickinson who starts his review with the observation that there is nothing new to say about Shakespeare or the Old Course. My only excuse is that perhaps I have a slightly different perspective  I'm here on a family holiday and golf as Ran would wish is only a part of it.13.days here an I'll be pleased if I manage half a dozen ronds of golf.  

I should also add that seemingly unlike other writers on this experience, it's my first visit and I don't know anybody here,  much less R+A members. That suits me fine I've always enjoyed turn up and see who you play with golf.

I have made no plans but I imagined getting up early on Monday and hanging out until I could join up with a group.We arrived last night and I picked up a leaflet saying there's an Old Course tour on Sunday mornings.Our house is only 400 yards from the first tee and I reasoned with my wife and daughter that the dog needed a walk after 2 days in the car!

It was a really enjoyAble 3 hours led by a local guy who looks like Ben Crenshaw called Bowie.  He's been playing the course since 1947 and has a.nice way with an anecdote. Best ome was on the 14th tee. 'I would like to introduce you to the Elysian (sp?) Fields.I am told that if you visit Paris and walk up the Champs Elyse you will have shops selling the most luxurios goods on you right, the best restaurants in the world on your left and the famous Arc de Triomph ahead. In St Andresws we have out of bounds to the right, rough to the left all leading us to a bunker called HELL


 
First impressions. Of TOC.
Bewilderment. Ithink this is because despite reading lots about it, I still wasn't prepared for what I saw. I've seen at least 40 odd links courses and this one is different _ which of course is a good thing _ but it all adds up to somethingg that on first visit is hard to relate too.

The first thing most peiple see has to be the 18th green. Doesn't matter how much you've read about it the L-R slope (from behind) is more than you've imagined.  It!s fun to watch people hit good drives and then clunk their second and third shots!
The first fairway looks like a billiard table. Truly the hazard of short grass


I'm well used to blind holes, my home course has 8 blind tee shots, but the nature of the (often semi) blindness and it's repetition on the early holes is strangely disquieting. Repetition can be a  Key part of art used in the right way, I don't see it as a weakness but it is a feature that jars you to a surprising extent.  
At least off the day tees the av. Par 4 seems mid length, but just looking with no club in hand, the approach shots are totally baffling?  The course doesn't look difficult (hah) as long as you are both modest in ambition and reasonably accurate off the tee, but how do you score?
. Pimples, burns, swales, valleys, and  slopes all lurk at the front of greens The gound game outside of the putter doesn't look like it's an option we'll see

In the negative is it possible that in order to keep it as an Open venue it becomes one dimensional? Hole after hole he pointed to the Open flag positions. They get stuck behind bunkers/pimples just.behind a downslope?

29 hrs since I arrived, lot's still to do and see.  Cheers
Let's make GCA grate again!

Tony_Muldoon

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Re: O/T? Two weeks in St Andrews.
« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2009, 05:29:45 PM »
While composing above post took a call from Mark Pearce, apparently there's a GCa hooley in town tomorrow and the possibility of a game Wednesday

Have moved to the Dungevan, Bellhaven in hand and Padaig has got the lead back. Cheers.
Let's make GCA grate again!

Marty Bonnar

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Re: O/T? Two weeks in St Andrews.
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2009, 06:37:33 PM »
Mr M,
GCA hooley indeed.
Mr L Cole of this parish, troubador for the entertainment thereof, performs on trampoline for the benefit of his audience in the Auld Grey Toun.
Hope to see you there. The Guinness is on me!
cheers,
FBD.
The White River runs dark through the heart of the Town,
Washed the people coal-black from the hole in the ground.

Chris Kane

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Re: O/T? Two weeks in St Andrews.
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2009, 07:33:01 PM »
Have moved to the Dungevan, Bellhaven in hand and Padaig has got the lead back. Cheers.
The Dunvegan?  Say it ain't so!

Bill_McBride

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Re: O/T? Two weeks in St Andrews.
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2009, 08:15:05 PM »
While composing above post took a call from Mark Pearce, apparently there's a GCa hooley in town tomorrow and the possibility of a game Wednesday

Have moved to the Dungevan, Bellhaven in hand and Padaig has got the lead back. Cheers.

Tony, please say hello to Jack and Miss Sheila for me.  See you in Kent!  Enjoy St A, it's a special place indeed.

Tony_Muldoon

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Re: O/T? Two weeks in St Andrews.
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2009, 01:08:07 PM »
It's Lamas fair time here in St Andrews. This has been celebrated since Pagan pre christian history at Harvest Time In many places it involved slaughtering John Barleycorn and as a child I remember a horse fair at Ballycastle. However in St Andrews its always been a chidrens fair. This means that Market st and South street are cometely closed off and full of modern fair rides. Each has it's own sountrack blaring out. Ah progress

So Chris where should I watch the PGA next weekend?

Walked down to the starters hut at 8 and enquired. They open at 6 but this morning he'd sent a no away to return at 9. However several no shows meant I could collect my clubs and go out at 8 20. Went round in 4 hrs dead.  Marshalls help keep the pace up by suggesting lines.

Fantastic corse but up with the very best? I will reserve judgement   

Suggestions for eating places wellcomed

Cheers Tony
Let's make GCA grate again!

Bill_McBride

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Re: O/T? Two weeks in St Andrews.
« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2009, 01:11:02 PM »
It's Lamas fair time here in St Andrews. This has been celebrated since Pagan pre christian history at Harvest Time In many places it involved slaughtering John Barleycorn and as a child I remember a horse fair at Ballycastle. However in St Andrews its always been a chidrens fair. This means that Market st and South street are cometely closed off and full of modern fair rides. Each has it's own sountrack blaring out. Ah progress

So Chris where should I watch the PGA next weekend?

Walked down to the starters hut at 8 and enquired. They open at 6 but this morning he'd sent a no away to return at 9. However several no shows meant I could collect my clubs and go out at 8 20. Went round in 4 hrs dead.  Marshalls help keep the pace up by suggesting lines.

Fantastic corse but up with the very best? I will reserve judgement   

Suggestions for eating places wellcomed

Cheers Tony

Last summer there was an excellent new Indian / Bangladeshi restaurant just off South Street but can't remember the name.

The Vine Leaf is hard to beat.

Ken Moum

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Re: O/T? Two weeks in St Andrews.
« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2009, 01:19:44 PM »
Suggestions for eating places wellcomed

Cheers Tony

One of the better meals I had in St. Andrews was at the Links Clubhouse.
Over time, the guy in the ideal position derives an advantage, and delivering him further  advantage is not worth making the rest of the players suffer at the expense of fun, variety, and ultimately cost -- Jeff Warne, 12-08-2010

Andrew Mitchell

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Re: O/T? Two weeks in St Andrews.
« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2009, 04:09:14 PM »
Have a great time Tony and keep posting. Some questions for you:

How many times do you hope/intend to play TOC?

What other courses are on your wish list?

is your wife happy with all the golf you've got planned? ;)

Why does posting from your blackberry make you spell like Anthony? ;D

Have a good one mate.
2014 to date: not actually played anywhere yet!
Still to come: Hollins Hall; Ripon City; Shipley; Perranporth; St Enodoc

Chris Kane

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Re: O/T? Two weeks in St Andrews.
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2009, 06:53:49 PM »
So Chris where should I watch the PGA next weekend?
1 Golf Place was always my favourite for watching golf. 

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Suggestions for eating places wellcomed
The Doll's House just off Market Street is very good; if on a budget the Glass House on South Street is good too.  I went to the Indian restaurant in St Mary's Place with Kelly Blake Moran - sensational.  By most accounts the best restaurant in town is the Seafood Restaurant (near the first tee).

And go for afternoon tea at Rufflets (where I worked). 

Tony_Muldoon

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Re: O/T? Two weeks in St Andrews.
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2009, 03:04:39 AM »
Thanks for the food recomendations will be trying most of them out. So far Glasshouse fairly good, Greyfriars Hotel fairly awful the in laws are with us this week so we are eating close to home. The Seafood Restaurant is booked up but we've secured a reservation for our last night here.
I started by saying I knew no one here and as a GCA member in St Andrews that's just not so.  Monday night saw Lloyd Cole in concert with mark  Pearce and the legend martin Bonnar plus spouses.  Great night. The description Troubadour has gone out of fashion but it suits Lloyd well. The concert was not promoted in town, word was spread by internet and the place was full He's a great guitar accompanyist (word?) With a range fine songs an he took us all with him on a journey into Lloyd land. Excellent.

Hopefully a round with Martin and Mark tonight at a venue Tba in Fife. Tomorrow I've made it into the Seniors Open at Crail. Saturday is moving day-literally as this place is ony available for one week. Next week hipefully itaks back to Crail and a visit to Aberdour. Somehow I hope to get two moe games on TOC. It's amazing how you start a holiday with no plans and then time fills up.

Finally for anyone thinking of spending a week here I must recomend www.standrews-cottages.com and find Abbotsford Place. It's a tiny mews just off North st with a shared communal garden and an oasis of peace 500 yards from the starters hut of TOC   
Let's make GCA grate again!

Scott Warren

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Re: O/T? Two weeks in St Andrews.
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2009, 03:44:20 AM »
Monday night saw Lloyd Cole in concert with mark  Pearce and the legend martin Bonnar plus spouses.  Great night. The description Troubadour has gone out of fashion but it suits Lloyd well. The concert was not promoted in town, word was spread by internet and the place was full

When I was in St Andrews last month there were posters with Lloyd on them all over the place. The teenage girls must have stolen them all to put up on their walls!

Phil_the_Author

Re: O/T? Two weeks in St Andrews.
« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2009, 04:56:55 AM »
Tony,

Take a drive down the road to Kingsbarns and stop in at the B&B The Barns for dinner. It is unquestionably (IMO) the BEST food you will find. If you do, say helo to Ian the owner for me...

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