courses with holes playing over a road

[Dan Herrmann]

#10 at French Creek

[James Boon]

The 17th at Painswick plays - in the driving zone, no less - over a four way intersection, with the golfer unable to see if there is traffic coming from at least one of the roads!

Plus a cemetery on the left in the driving zone!  It's a busy tee shot. There's also a set of stairs up to a viewing platform.

Dont forget that at Painswick one of those roads on the 17th is also driven across on 16. There is also the road that crosses where the 4th and  13th tees have their little face off.

A little known Alister MacKenzie course in Devon, Teignmouth has a road that crosses the 12th and 15th holes. Not usually a problem as its pretty wide open up there but it became obvious to me one day how dangerous it could be when I was driving through a thick fog and suddenly realised that I was on one of the roads crossing the golf course, but luckily there weren't many nutters out that day!

These are both pretty quiet country roads.

As already mentioned there are lots of examples of courses where the driveway, or a smaller access road to nearby houses or to the beach, pass over some holes like at St Enodoc, Ganton and Hunstanton.

There are also course which historically had holes crossing a road but had to be redesigned as the car became more popular. I'm thinking of Lindrick, site of the 1957 GB&I Ryder Cup Victory, when prior to the 1930s a couple of holes played across a road.

Lastly, and I'm sure there are tons of examples of this, but you have courses where you have to cross road between holes, where once it would have been not very busy and now one has to do their best chicken impersonation    Of specific interest on this front are Sutton Coldfield where the clubhouse has no view over the course as its on the other side of a busy suburban road. The other is Walton Heath, where the clubhouse and first hole are on one side of the road, while the rest of the old course and the whole of the new are on the other. I can't say for certain, but I'm sure at one point the roads in both these cases were not that busy, and the trees along them young, so there may have once been very little impact from the road?

Doug, as you are asking for examples, is it the safety aspect of cars and pedestrians crossing a golf hole or is it the incorporation of the tarmac surface that is the issue?

Cheers,

James

[Adrian_Stiff]

Wentworth plays over the road 8 times I think, 1-2-3-4-5-16-17-18.

Our good friend Painswick has the 1st, 4th, 13th, 16th and 17th

There used to be a golf course called Tower Hill where from the 3rd tee you played directly across the clubs car park! It was much lower but a nice fat one would see you dump your ball onto the cars. This course had a dog leg par 3, a green of about 50 squared feet and a few other rarieties. Its no longer there though.

[Mark_Rowlinson]

17th at Alwoodley

[Dave McCollum]

The first at R. Dornoch.  The road to the beach is right in front of the 1st tee.  It could cause quite a dent.

[Doug_Nickels]

Thanks everyone for all the information.

[Wayne_Kozun]

My home club, Scarboro Golf & CC in Toronto has the 18th hole where the tee shot plays over Scarborough Golf Club Road, at least from the White, Blue and Gold tees.  There is a fence to protect cars from tee shots so that is an additional obstacle but in most rounds (but not tournaments) there is a local rule allowing a free rehit if your shot hits the fence.

[Bob_Huntley]

 Ihink MPCC takes the cake here.

Road Crossings;

DUNES

Between 1 and 2
     "       2 and 3
     "       5 and 6
under the road between 8 and nine
Between 12 and thirteen
      "      13 and 14
      "      14 and 15
      "      17 and 18

SHORE.

Between  1 and 2
     "        3 and 4
     "        6 and 7
     "       10 and 11
     "       17 and 18

Bob     

[Will Smith]

Princess Anne CC, Virginia Beach, VA

#2, #5, #7, #9, #12, #14, #15, all over public a public road. At one point you could add #1 and #11.

[Sam Morrow]

Both par 3's. I believe it's the 3rd at Glenwood Springs GC in Colorado and I think the 4th at Hurricane Creek in Anna, Texas.

[Doug Siebert]

The 17th at Painswick plays - in the driving zone, no less - over a four way intersection, with the golfer unable to see if there is traffic coming from at least one of the roads!

Does anyone have a picture of the view from the teebox?  I'm having trouble visualizing this.....I knew Painswick was quirky but damn!

[Wyatt Halliday]

Both par 3's. I believe it's the 3rd at Glenwood Springs GC in Colorado and I think the 4th at Hurricane Creek in Anna, Texas.

Sam,

Hurricane Creek? More please....in PM if necessary.

Thanks,
Wyatt

[Scott Warren]

The 17th at Painswick plays - in the driving zone, no less - over a four way intersection, with the golfer unable to see if there is traffic coming from at least one of the roads!

Does anyone have a picture of the view from the teebox?  I'm having trouble visualizing this.....I knew Painswick was quirky but damn!

Courtesy of James Boon's awesome Painswick pic thread.

[James Boon]

The 17th at Painswick plays - in the driving zone, no less - over a four way intersection, with the golfer unable to see if there is traffic coming from at least one of the roads!

Does anyone have a picture of the view from the teebox?  I'm having trouble visualizing this.....I knew Painswick was quirky but damn!

Courtesy of James Boon's awesome Painswick pic thread.

Thanks Scott,

And dont forget that the tee shot into this landing area is blind!

Cheers,

James

[Gary Slatter]

Scarborough Golf Club (Scarboro) in Toronto

[Cliff Hamm]

Shennecossett, twice/

And over a railroad to boot.  Hard to match that.

[Bryan Izatt]

Posting this on behalf of Niall Carlton.

[Niall C]

Thanks Bryan. Thought folks might like to see this little gem which NLE. By my reckoning their were 8 holes straddling Islays main road. Sadly the article doesn't mention whether the bunkers had sleepers.

Niall

[Chris_Blakely]

Two more:

Cavalier G & YC Virginia Beach, VA

Bostonia CC Distant, PA

Chris

[Doug Siebert]

The 17th at Painswick plays - in the driving zone, no less - over a four way intersection, with the golfer unable to see if there is traffic coming from at least one of the roads!

Does anyone have a picture of the view from the teebox?  I'm having trouble visualizing this.....I knew Painswick was quirky but damn!

Courtesy of James Boon's awesome Painswick pic thread.

I don't see any intersection there, I guess that's hidden by the trees?    I guess its not as bad as I was imagining, even a wild hitter like me is probably not going to endanger those cars unless the road is a lot further away than it looks!

[Kyle Henderson]

Stanford # 1.

[Sam Morrow]

Both par 3's. I believe it's the 3rd at Glenwood Springs GC in Colorado and I think the 4th at Hurricane Creek in Anna, Texas.

Sam,

Hurricane Creek? More please....in PM if necessary.

Thanks,
Wyatt

Nothing great, nice course right off of 75 north of McKinney. We played the NTPGA Assistants Championship up there a few years ago.

[James Boon]

Doug,

I've attached an annotated aerial of the 17th at Painswick which hopefully shows the cross roads better? Its pretty tight down there with OOB left and right and the cross roads. It is a reasonably quiet road, but it is a public road not just a driveway to the clubhouse. I did once find my ball sitting in themiddle of the cross roads and I wouldn't be suprised if someone has hit one that goes running down the road to the right, that ends up on the main road at the bottom of the hill?

he picture in the previous reply is taken walking after a drive on 17, when just past the 16th green. The aerial doesnt show the raised ground here that makes it a blind tee shot...

Cheers,

James

[Tony Gorski]

Shoreacres plays over the entrance driveway....

[Kalen Braley]

Shoreacres plays over the entrance driveway....

Lake Chabot in Oakland, CA plays over the entrance driveway 5 times!!!!