[JC Jones]

Sean,

Fair enough and I would agree that none of them are anything special (maybe 3's to me).  I need to play UM before I roll out of here.  Could the problem be that there isnt much MacKenzie left?  I dont know what the course looks like today vs what it looked like back when it was designed.

Plus, the idiots in Ann Arbor use it as a parking lot for their "football" games.  And, I use that term loosely with RichRod in charge.   (yes, I am a spartan).

[Sean_A]

Sean,

Fair enough and I would agree that none of them are anything special (maybe 3's to me).  I need to play UM before I roll out of here.  Could the problem be that there isnt much MacKenzie left?  I dont know what the course looks like today vs what it looked like back when it was designed.

Plus, the idiots in Ann Arbor use it as a parking lot for their "football" games.  And, I use that term loosely with RichRod in charge.   (yes, I am a spartan).

JC

There is probably not much Dr Mac eliminated as I think the main designer was Maxwell with important contributions from Dr Mac.  The routing is in place.  The yardage isn't all that different from originally.  Some of the greens have shrunk, but many are still huge.  The bunkers MAY not have the flair of old - I don't know as I have yet to see good pix from the old days - but it seems to me as if some of the bunkers have been worked on recent years.  The water in front of 18 is much larger today.  All in all, despite the carping by some, the course is in imo pretty well preserved. 

Ciao

[JC Jones]

Thanks, Sean.  Its definitely high on my list to see right now (and has been for a while).

[Richard Hetzel]

Lack of Research = Selecting THE VINEYARD as Ohio's Best Muni. Obviously, I have not played ALL the muni's in Ohio, but Champions in Columbus and Manakikki are WAAAAY PAST The Vineyard. In fact, I dislike The Vineyard so much, I will NEVER golf there again! Unless of course they start aggressively cutting down A LOT of trees!

[Mike_Young]

Somehow they chose my course, Links on the Bayou in Alexandria, LA.  I had no idea until I just looked it up.  From listening to some of the opinions here I don't know if I need to mention it anywhere    sounds like a flawed lis ;Dt....

[John_Conley]

Somehow they chose my course, Links on the Bayou in Alexandria, LA.  I had no idea until I just looked it up.  From listening to some of the opinions here I don't know if I need to mention it anywhere    sounds like a flawed lis ;Dt....

They got it right in Louisiana, Mike.

[Mike_Young]

Somehow they chose my course, Links on the Bayou in Alexandria, LA.  I had no idea until I just looked it up.  From listening to some of the opinions here I don't know if I need to mention it anywhere    sounds like a flawed lis ;Dt....

They got it right in Louisiana, Mike.

I have no clue....don't even lnow what other munis are down there.....

[Wyatt Halliday]

City Park isn't even the best muny in Denver (Wellshire is).

I can say the same for Olmos Basin. It's probably the fourth best muni in the city and might not crack the top ten in the state.

[Wyatt Halliday]

Somehow they chose my course, Links on the Bayou in Alexandria, LA.  I had no idea until I just looked it up.  From listening to some of the opinions here I don't know if I need to mention it anywhere    sounds like a flawed lis ;Dt....

They got it right in Louisiana, Mike.

I have no clue....don't even lnow what other munis are down there.....

Mike,

Apparently you've never had the pleasure of a twilight round at Jay and Lionel Hebert Municipal in Lafayette. At that time of day, you need but two items in your golf bag. A viscous hook and a nine millimeter semi-automatic.

Wyatt

[Kirk Gill]

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On the converse, I have never played City Park in Denver, but my associate Eric Iverson plays it pretty regularly and likes it a lot.  So I'm willing to bet it doesn't suck.  And frankly, I would rather find out about a few older courses like that, than about the latest and greatest $80 muni in every big city.

It doesn't suck. There are some tough greens, cross-mounding, and it has most certainly served its community well. Perhaps what we have here is a discussion of the complexity in deciding exactly what constitutes the "best" golf course. I had the opportunity to talk with Eric once, and it was amazing to have the opportunity to talk with someone "in the business" who showed such enthusiasm for the Denver munis, including City Park.

[Doug Ralston]

Lack of Research = Selecting THE VINEYARD as Ohio's Best Muni. Obviously, I have not played ALL the muni's in Ohio, but Champions in Columbus and Manakikki are WAAAAY PAST The Vineyard. In fact, I dislike The Vineyard so much, I will NEVER golf there again! Unless of course they start aggressively cutting down A LOT of trees!

Whoa Rich;

I agree Vineyard probably isn't better than several other Ohio munis, but it is not half as bad as you indicate, IMHO. In fact, I enjoyed the layout, I simply found it very overcrowded, and starting too many to quickly. Rich, Hurdzan had a forest so he built a course with a lot of trees. I have no problem with that. Anymore than using a sandy scrub on a beach when that is what you have. In fact, only sand pits seem out of place just about everywhere.That is a mostly manmade insertion.


Trust me when I say Kentucky was a vastly greater absurdity [as usual] than Ohio, or anywhere else that I am familiar with.

Doug

[Mark Pritchett]

To those familiar with the tarheel state; Would you agree Bryan Park to be better than Wilmington Municipal?  I haven't played either course, but have heard such good things about Wilmington.  I have played Asheville Municipal and enjoyed it very much, particularly the second nine. 

[John Moore II]

To those familiar with the tarheel state; Would you agree Bryan Park to be better than Wilmington Municipal?  I haven't played either course, but have heard such good things about Wilmington.  I have played Asheville Municipal and enjoyed it very much, particularly the second nine. 

As a total package, yes, Bryan Park is better than Wilmington Muni. That won't get me much love here since BP is Rees Jones and WM is Donald Ross, but overall, its true. Bryan Park is better conditioned, its a more difficult test and a generally better course. Wilimington might be slightly more fun to play, just because it doesn't beat you up like Bryan Park can (Wilmington is about 6500 yards, Bryan Park I think can stretch to about 7200 after the redo). Wilmington Muni just doesn't get the funding Bryan Park does. If Wilmington worked with the same budget that they have at Bryan Park, it would probably be rated better than BP.

[Tim Pitner]

I have tried to find something of interest at Denver City Park, but I just don't see it.  Perhaps I need an education from Mr. Iverson.  To me, it's a Doak 2, perhaps a 3 if I'm being charitable.  There are a few challenging greens, although mostly in the sense that they have a severe back to front tilt--there are few internal contours.  The land is . . . uninspiring.  It reminds me of the rather bland municipal courses I grew up playing in Cedar Rapids, Iowa--not too much more than a sparsely treed, generally flat field with some flagsticks stuck in the ground--and, while there's a place for that sort of golf, it doesn't do much for me. 

Among municipal courses in Colorado, Murphy Creek and Breckenridge would be better choices. 

[Doug Wright]

On the converse, I have never played City Park in Denver, but my associate Eric Iverson plays it pretty regularly and likes it a lot.  So I'm willing to bet it doesn't suck.  And frankly, I would rather find out about a few older courses like that, than about the latest and greatest $80 muni in every big city.

Tom, I'm shocked--shocked--that you haven't played City Park! How could you design a nearby course (CommonGround) without checking out the competition? We get all over Jack Nicklaus for doing Dismal River without seeing Sand Hills. How is this different? Good thing your colleague Mr. Iverson has the good sense to do his homework...

[I'd insert multiple smilies here but Dan Kelly doesn't like them]
 

[Matt_Ward]

Hard to imagine how many states can have such poor or totally out-of-bounds choices for the top muni spot.

Asking the average Joe and Jane for their thoughts makes little sense given the superior layouts that were totally missed.

In Colorado the clear choices for the top spot are easy to see -- guess there was some fog on the glasses.

[Brad Swanson]

I have tried to find something of interest at Denver City Park, but I just don't see it.  Perhaps I need an education from Mr. Iverson.  To me, it's a Doak 2, perhaps a 3 if I'm being charitable.  There are a few challenging greens, although mostly in the sense that they have a severe back to front tilt--there are few internal contours.  The land is . . . uninspiring.  It reminds me of the rather bland municipal courses I grew up playing in Cedar Rapids, Iowa--not too much more than a sparsely treed, generally flat field with some flagsticks stuck in the ground--and, while there's a place for that sort of golf, it doesn't do much for me.  

Among municipal courses in Colorado, Murphy Creek and Breckenridge would be better choices.  

Ahhh, good ole Sh*tty Park in Denver.  Some interesting push-up greens and a decent set of par 3s (#4 in particular).  I put my time in there (mostly because it was so close to work for me).

Cheers,
Brad

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