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Nick Asbrock

San Dieigo Public Courses
« on: July 02, 2009, 05:12:02 PM »
My cousin is visiting from Ohio and wanted to play golf this weekend. Any suggestions on the best public courses in san diego/north county san diego... not too expensive (less than 100$). Thanks


Bill_McBride

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2009, 05:31:08 PM »
Pete Lavallee recommends Balboa Park.  Almost downtown and very sporty!

Tim Leahy

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2009, 05:43:21 PM »
In North County, Pala Mesa is nice and not too expensive. If you want something a little closer to the ocean then Encinitas Ranch would be in your budget.
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Peter Ferlicca

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2009, 05:44:44 PM »
I went to college in that area, and to tell you the truth there isn't that much that is good.  For under $100 I would recommend Woods Valley in Escondido or Arrowood Golf Club in Oceanside, but if it were me I would make the drive down to San Diego play Coronado Golf Club for 25 dollars and have a more enjoyable round.

Nick Asbrock

Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2009, 05:59:06 PM »
any views on sycuan

Aidan Bradley

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2009, 06:06:41 PM »
Pala Mesa



Arrowood



Encinitas Ranch


Peter Ferlicca

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2009, 06:17:01 PM »
That picture of Pala Mesa is hole #2, which to begin with is OB on both sides, a very tight driving hole.  That was the hole where the guy fell of the edge of the cliff in his golf cart to his death down to the road below.

Aidan Bradley

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2009, 06:24:44 PM »
It was #11 when I photographed it many years ago. They must have switched the 9's.

Peter Ferlicca

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2009, 06:33:21 PM »
Yeah technically it is a North 9 and a South 9, so it just depends on which side they send you off of first.  That course isn't bad its just they have internal OB out of the wazooo there and for no reason.  If you are going to head up that far might as well play something in Temecula.

Pete Lavallee

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2009, 06:45:12 PM »
Hope this helps. Play is down everywhere, you should be able to walk on almost any course except for Coronado which is still packed dawn to dusk. the rates at Torrey just went up July 1, the Noth is $95 and the South $174. I would opt for a twilight round at Barona Creek; I believe it's $65 after 11:00.
Resorts:

Barona Creek     619-387-7018
     This is the must play course in the San Diego area. Just a 30 minute drive from downtown, Todd Eckenrode’s creation in Wild Cat Canyon offers a thrill for every class of golfer. The course features strategic bunkering, scattered at different distances, through the wide fairways. Firm and fast conditions put a premium on attacking from the correct angles to the highly contoured greens. Hotel and Casino on site.

Torrey Pines     (reservations) 619-570-1234
     South:  The host for the 2008 US Open is set up as a test of the modern game. Even from the white tees (6,880) this course plays long. Rees improved the 3 holes he moved to the canyon’s edge (3, 4&14) but 18 double plateau greens are a bit repetitive. Green conditions now finally justify the $160-$200 rate.
     North: The proposed redesign has been postponed, here’s your chance to play what could be William Francis Bell’s best work. Better use of terrain, nicely contoured set of pushup greens, surely the more scenic of the two courses.
     Golfers can show up as early as they want to line up for the morning’s first hour of tee times (cars line up in the parking lot on weekends, during the week you place your golf bag in line in front of the starters booth on the balcony); singles stand a decent chance of getting off through the waiting list in the afternoon.

Carlton Oaks     619-448-4500
     This Perry Dye redesign has all the “dye-abolical” trademarks: waste areas, pot bunkers, bulk headed water hazards and many greens that slope away in the back. At 7,225 75.2/146from the tips it’s definitely the second toughest layout in the County. Lots of fun from the blue or white tees though. Hotel on site.

Del Mar National     858-792-6200
     The only Fazio course in San Diego County; All golfers really want is a thrill; this course comes up short here. Very playable and takes a great picture, but the tea cups at Disney Land are more exciting than this place. Must stay at the Resort to play here now.

La Costa     760-438-9111
     Fans of Dick Wilson will enjoy the artistry of the bunkering on the original tournament course. The bad news is it has been split into the South, with 9 holes shoehorned in by Wilson and the North with its’ additional 9 holes on ample ground with good movement across the street, done by Joe Lee. Unfortunately neither nines are a match for the original work. Sometimes the Resort will let the first group off the North actually play the tournament course, so long as they can beat the first group off the South to the back 9.

Warner Springs Ranch     760-782-4270
     High desert course is both scenic and challenging. The remote atmosphere makes this course special; resort rooms have no TV or phones! Little over an hour from downtown but very close to Barona.


Municipal:

Coronado     619-435-3121
     Jack Daray designed San Diego’s “Hidden Gem”, built on fill dredged from the harbor in the 50’s, it has 4 holes that play along Glorietta Bay, subtle doglegs test driving ability, the pushup greens punish poor iron play, wind is often a factor. At $25/day for everyone it’s the best deal in town.

Balboa Park     (reservations)  619-570-1234
     Built in 1918 by William Park Bell, this short (6,281) trip out through the canyons and back across the mesa has remained a tough track to score on. Sam Snead’s course record 60, shot here while in the Navy in WWII, still stands. Views of downtown and the Coronado Islands, walkups should have no trouble playing here.

Encinitas Ranch     760-944-1936
     Located ten minutes north of Torrey Pines and five minutes south of Legoland this is an enjoyable and reasonably priced daily fee course. Wide open front nine is complemented by the canyons on the back. Built on the site of a former flower ranch, conditions are usually good.

CCFAD’s:

Maderas CC     858-451-8100
     Built on a hilly site this course promises the thrilling downhill holes off the bat, the key here is how much fun the uphill holes are. Neal Meagher’s perfect mix off unique green sites are worth the price of admission alone. Soon to go private when enough memberships are sold.


Salt Creek, formerly The Auld Course     619-482-4666
     Although built to sell houses you would find it hard to hit one from the golf course. Die hard walkers beware, you must ride here. Cary Bickler and John Cook have crafted some fine holes here, well worth a look if you’re in the South Bay area.

Privates:

Rancho Santa Fe CC
     Don’t pass up an opportunity to play here. Max Behr’s 1929 layout got the highest Doak rating in San Diego County (5).

La Jolla CC
     Canyon golf at its best from William Park Bell, built in 1927.

San Diego CC
     Another William Park Bell layout with several barrancas was built in 1921. The redesigned greens seem unsympathetic to the Bell style.

Tijuana CC
     The course claims a MacKenzie heritage, but it sure looks like a William Park Bell to me; possibly during his relationship with Tillinghast. Close enough to the border to take the trolley down and hop in a cab for the short journey to the golf course; public access allowed.

Pauma Valley
     The only Robert Trent Jones course in San Diego County is in the high desert just past Barona; once rated within the top 20 in Ca.

Military:

Marine Memorial   GC, Camp Pendleton     760-725-4704
     Set within the expansive Marine base this course by William Francis Bell occupies a peaceful and secluded river valley 50 minutes from downtown. Somewhat shaggy conditioning here doesn’t detract from the enjoyment.

Miramar, Memorial GC     858-577-4155
     Jack Daray shows how to turn a flat parcel of land into an interesting golf course at the old Top Gun base. Now a Marine Corp Air Station it has some of the best conditioned greens in the County; wind and FA-18’s are always a factor here.

Sea & Air GC     619-545-9659
      Located on North Island Naval Air Station it is a tale of two nines, the front is cramped with many parallel holes, not much to write home about. However the back nine’s holes are wonderfully separated with 3 playing along the sand dunes right along the beach. The runway splits the back nine and you’ll have an opportunity to see many types of Military Aircraft practicing their touch and goes.
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Peter Ferlicca

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2009, 06:55:45 PM »
Oh yeah that is a no brainer with Barona Creek, I forgot about that one.  If you can get it under $100 dollars that is BY FAR the best deal in town.  I would make that your course to play, and I doubt anyone would argue with me.

ed_getka

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #11 on: July 02, 2009, 07:37:47 PM »
Barona is THE course to play down there. A bit of a drive, but certainly worth it.
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astavrides

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #12 on: July 02, 2009, 08:09:52 PM »
any views on sycuan

if you mean, can you see the ocean? no.
if you mean, how is the golf course(s)?  pretty good, but not as good as the ones I know (all but 2 of the ones--not counting the private and military) on Pete's list.

Duane Sharpe

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #13 on: July 02, 2009, 10:53:49 PM »
Barona is the way to go!
Sharpee

Patrick Kiser

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #14 on: July 02, 2009, 11:34:53 PM »
Barona Creek     619-387-7018
     This is the must play course in the San Diego area. Just a 30 minute drive from downtown, Todd Eckenrode’s creation in Wild Cat Canyon offers a thrill for every class of golfer. The course features strategic bunkering, scattered at different distances, through the wide fairways. Firm and fast conditions put a premium on attacking from the correct angles to the highly contoured greens. Hotel and Casino on site.


Finally Pete chimes in.  I was wondering when someone was going to mention Barona.  Totally agree on this course.  After this though, it's probably a distant second on the public side.

If the cousin doesn't mind stretching things to San Clemente ... I'd recommend the Muni there as well.  David Stamm turned me onto this course and it's probably the better bang for the buck for the North County region area.

“One natural hazard, however, which is more
or less of a nuisance, is water. Water hazards
absolutely prohibit the recovery shot, perhaps
the best shot in the game.” —William Flynn, golf
course architect

Richard Choi

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2009, 11:44:49 PM »
Ooo... nice post Mr Lavallee. I am bookmarking this thread for the next time I am in San Diego.

Nick Asbrock

Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2009, 11:48:16 PM »
Any suggestions on temecula/murrieta golf courses? I played crosscreek when it first opened and it was a great layout. I heard it has gone downhill the last couple of years and they have lost all their greens to disease. Anyone play the new pechanga course?


David Stamm

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2009, 11:59:31 PM »
Barona Creek     619-387-7018
     This is the must play course in the San Diego area. Just a 30 minute drive from downtown, Todd Eckenrode’s creation in Wild Cat Canyon offers a thrill for every class of golfer. The course features strategic bunkering, scattered at different distances, through the wide fairways. Firm and fast conditions put a premium on attacking from the correct angles to the highly contoured greens. Hotel and Casino on site.


Finally Pete chimes in.  I was wondering when someone was going to mention Barona.  Totally agree on this course.  After this though, it's probably a distant second on the public side.

If the cousin doesn't mind stretching things to San Clemente ... I'd recommend the Muni there as well.  David Stamm turned me onto this course and it's probably the better bang for the buck for the North County region area.



If in North County, then as Patrick suggests, it's worth a look and will run you around $40 give or take depending on the day of the week. Nothing flashy, but some solid affordable golf with some views of the ocean from some of the holes (on a clear day of course). The new clubhouse opened at the beginning of the year and it's quite comfortable.


Pete as always has them all pretty well covered. I will say that you need to check prices on Barona as the fees have gotten very steep the last year, depending day of week and time of day. Barona is by far the best public in SD and yes, it's better than Torrey.
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Nick Asbrock

Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2009, 12:29:21 PM »
So I decided to play Balboa park yesterday at 1pm with my cousin. We both enjoyed the course. The only negatives I see are the lack of any ocean views and constant air traffic. It is a little quirky in some places (ei the 4th)... Positives include the many views of the SD skyline, low price (40$) and a variety of different types of holes (canyons, elevation changes and mesa holes). Overall it was a fun short little course for a Sunday afternoon with lots of character to many of the holes. Conditiosn where actually bette rthan I expected. 

Favorite holes on the course include #2 (neat tight hole up through the canyon), #14, #16(best hole on the course) and #17 (huge elevation drop-2 club).

They need to make a new tee box on number 18 about 100 yard back from where it is now. Finishing on a 320yrd par four just dosent seem right IMO.... it is very narrow however.

Questiosn for all....... It seemd like the two nines were very different in style (front nine seemed more aged with many canyon holes, while the back nine was more wide open on top the the canyons (except the last 4 holes). Is the front nine the original nine from 1920"s? Do they have different desiners?

 

David Stamm

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2009, 12:36:08 PM »
 

Favorite holes on the course include #2 (neat tight hole up through the canyon), #14, #16(best hole on the course) and #17 (huge elevation drop-2 club).

 
 


I don't think I've ever heard anyone say 16 was their favorite hole.
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Nick Asbrock

Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2009, 12:37:21 PM »
Maybe most challenging is a better description.......

David Stamm

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2009, 01:53:11 PM »
Maybe most challenging is a better description.......

It is that, for all the wrong reasons. The tree is a bloody joke. Personally, I like the 6th. A very solid par 3.
"The object of golf architecture is to give an intelligent purpose to the striking of a golf ball."- Max Behr

Nick Asbrock

Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2009, 02:28:00 PM »
I thought the tree was stategically placed. It makes you favor the left side of the fairway to avoid the tree (and brings the canyon into play- I found the canyon by the way) if you want any chance of hitting the green in two. 

Norbert P

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2009, 02:31:19 PM »
 Must play  . . . Barona Creek    

Second choice . . .  Barona Creek
They did some stuff out there this past Fall and an update would be nice.

Balboa Park is a Tommy Nac gem.

Do not play Torrey South because it's on TV or because it's a US Open course.  It will disappoint you and you will hate pro golf because of it.  And there are no views of the nekkid women on Black's Beach from the course.

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George Freeman

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Re: San Dieigo Public Courses
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2009, 02:50:46 PM »
Whats the consensus on the Crossings at Carlsbad for those who have played it?
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