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Joel_Stewart

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Changes in the wind
« on: June 10, 2009, 11:54:38 AM »
WASHINGTON – The wind, a favorite power source of the green energy movement, seems to be dying down across the United States. And the cause, ironically, may be global warming — the very problem wind power seeks to address.

The idea that winds may be slowing is still a speculative one, and scientists disagree whether that is happening. But a first-of-its-kind study suggests that average and peak wind speeds have been noticeably slowing since 1973, especially in the Midwest and the East.

"It's a very large effect," said study co-author Eugene Takle, a professor of atmospheric science at Iowa State University. In some places in the Midwest, the trend shows a 10 percent drop or more over a decade. That adds up when the average wind speed in the region is about 10 to 12 miles per hour.

There's been a jump in the number of low or no wind days in the Midwest, said the study's lead author, Sara Pryor, an atmospheric scientist at Indiana University.

Wind measurements plotted out on U.S. maps by Pryor show wind speeds falling mostly along and east of the Mississippi River. Some areas that are banking on wind power, such as west Texas and parts of the Northern Plains, do not show winds slowing nearly as much. Yet, states such as Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Kansas, Virginia, Louisiana, Georgia, northern Maine and western Montana show some of the biggest drop in wind speeds.

"The stations bordering the Great Lakes do seem to have experienced the greatest changes," Pryor said Tuesday. That's probably because there's less ice on the lakes and wind speeds faster across ice than it does over water, she said.

Still, the study, which will be published in August in the peer-reviewed Journal of Geophysical Research, is preliminary. There are enough questions that even the authors say it's too early to know if this is a real trend or not. But it raises a new side effect of global warming that hasn't been looked into before.

The ambiguity of the results is due to changes in wind-measuring instruments over the years, according to Pryor. And while actual measurements found diminished winds, some climate computer models — which are not direct observations — did not, she said.

Yet, a couple of earlier studies also found wind reductions in Australia and Europe, offering more comfort that the U.S. findings are real, Pryor and Takle said.

It also makes sense based on how weather and climate work, Takle said. In global warming, the poles warm more and faster than the rest of the globe, and temperature records, especially in the Arctic, show this. That means the temperature difference between the poles and the equator shrinks and with it the difference in air pressure in the two regions. Differences in barometric pressure are a main driver in strong winds. Lower pressure difference means less wind.

Even so, that information doesn't provide the definitive proof that science requires to connect reduced wind speeds to global warming, the authors said. In climate change science, there is a rigorous and specific method — which looks at all possible causes and charts their specific effects — to attribute an effect to global warming. That should be done eventually with wind, scientists say.

Jeff Freedman, an atmospheric scientist with AWS Truewind, an Albany, N.Y., renewable energy consulting firm, has studied the same topic, but hasn't published in a scientific journal yet. He said his research has found no definitive trend of reduced surface wind speed.

One of the problems Pryor acknowledges with her study is that over many years, changing conditions near wind-measuring devices can skew data. If trees grow or buildings are erected near wind gauges, that could reduce speed measurements.

Several outside experts mostly agree that there are signs that wind speed is decreasing and that global warming is the likely culprit.

The new study "demonstrates, rather conclusively in my mind, that average and peak wind speeds have decreased over the U.S. in recent decades," said Michael Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Penn State University.

A naysayer is Gavin Schmidt, a NASA climate scientist in New York who said the results conflict with climate models that show no effect from global warming. He also doubts that any decline in the winds that might be occurring has much of an effect on wind power.

But another expert, Jonathan Miles, of James Madison University, said a 10 percent reduction in wind speeds over a decade "would have an enormous effect on power production."

Pryor said a 10 percent change in peak winds would translate into a 30 percent change in how much energy is reaped. But because the research is in such early stages, she said, "at this point it would be premature to modify wind energy development plans."

Robert Gramlich, policy director at the American Wind Energy Association, said the idea of reduced winds was new to him. He wants to see verification from other studies before he worries too much about it.


David_Tepper

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Re: Changes in the wind
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2009, 11:57:54 AM »
"The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind." ;)

Gary Slatter

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Re: Changes in the wind
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2009, 12:05:05 PM »
JOEL,
thanks for taking the time to post this.  But really, do they have nothing useful to do?  What is a decade in the scheme of things? 
I don't think the wind has slowed down here in Scotland, I'll check with Richard Goodale as he's been here three decades I think.
Gary Slatter
gary.slatter@raffles.com

Kalen Braley

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Re: Changes in the wind
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2009, 12:26:27 PM »
I'm curious what the point is supposed to be of an article like that?

Can it have been more speculative?

Rich Goodale

Re: Changes in the wind
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2009, 12:47:10 PM »
Gary

The first thing that came to my mind when I read Joel's post is that this year is the windiest I can remember it being in Scotland.  Thanks for sending us your wind, America!

Rich

Lou_Duran

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Re: Changes in the wind
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2009, 01:15:16 PM »
It has been the windiest spring in north Texas that I can remember.

Having lost land for a pittance through eminent domain for one of those ghastly wind farms, and being a bit tired of having to hit my shots quail high, I hope that the report is accurate.  If those turbines are so objectionable that the green Senator Ted Kennedy can have them prohibited miles from his property, then maybe this is a good thing.

Besides, I just learned of a new green investment scheme that seems promising.  A guy from the northeast has been contracting with mall and large industrial building owners to lease their roofs for a 20 year term.  He has a solar panel manufacturer who builds, installs, and maintains the equipment.  The power is sold to the building owners and/or the power grid.  The tax credits pay for the equipment in 7 years, leaving 13 years of modest cash flow.  Of course, without the huge tax credits this would be a non-starter, but we are in an era of redistribution.  Now, let's just hope that Joel doesn't source a report showing global warming is lowering the energy generating capacity of the sun.  Bicycles and candlelight just don't seem to be desirable alternatives.   

Tom_Doak

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Re: Changes in the wind
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2009, 01:21:29 PM »
When I went to visit the site for one of our new projects in China last fall, they were erecting a wind turbine just past the boundary of the property.

When I went back last month, there were 36 of them in a line along the beach, up and running!

George Pazin

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Re: Changes in the wind
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2009, 01:39:37 PM »
Sounds like we have a global winding problem...
Big drivers and hot balls are the product of golf course design that rewards the hit one far then hit one high strategy.  Shinny showed everyone how to take care of this whole technology dilemma. - Pat Brockwell, 6/24/04

Garland Bayley

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Re: Changes in the wind
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2009, 04:35:06 PM »
When I went to visit the site for one of our new projects in China last fall, they were erecting a wind turbine just past the boundary of the property.

When I went back last month, there were 36 of them in a line along the beach, up and running!

They're growing like weeds just outside the boundary of the Columbia Gorge National Scenic area.
It takes one day to erect one once the foundation is in place. There were three cranes erecting turbines there when I made my dash from Billings to Portland so I assume 3 went up that day. The whole trip we often saw the towers and blades being shipped on trucks and by rail. The biggest downer of the trip? Having to drive by The Links of ND each way without having time to stop and play.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Adam Clayman

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Re: Changes in the wind
« Reply #9 on: June 10, 2009, 06:32:18 PM »
Interesting that when the wind is really howling, they have to turn off the mill. So, I don't know how important it is that peak speeds are lowered.

 
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Niall C

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Re: Changes in the wind
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2009, 06:14:11 AM »
Gary

The first thing that came to my mind when I read Joel's post is that this year is the windiest I can remember it being in Scotland.  Thanks for sending us your wind, America!

Rich

Rich

Agreed. I would suggest the last few yearshave been similiar but all the focus of the climate change brigade has been on temperature changes.

Niall