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Tony_Chapman

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The scrawny, long-hitter from northern Nebraska has been a key cog in leading Texas A&M to NCAA Nationals at Inverness.

http://www.omaha.com/index.php?u_page=1200&u_sid=10639715

TEPaul

Tony:

Thanks for that article on Nebraska's "Long John" Hurley. Apparently you have never seen the lad in person because even though he's 6'4" he definitely ain't "scrawny", that's for sure. ;)

I believe that lad's ball speed on the USGA computers in a 2005 US Amateur practice round off Merion's #5 still may be the highest they've ever seen in real life. And that isn't to even mention coming off the tee he sort of casually said: "I didn't catch that one very well."

One of his fellow competitors who was very good and pretty long by the standards of those young bomber college kids and made match play eventually said this: "None of us are short by any means but that guy's length is stupid!"

Kevin_Reilly

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I've posted this before, but he reached #17 at Olympic with driver, 8 iron during his qualifying round at the US Am.

On #16 he was 285 out with his drive and pushed his 3 wood to the greenside rough beside the right bunker.
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Tom Birkert

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Did he reach the 2nd at Merion in 2?

I only ask because a friend of mine somehow managed to hit a 3 iron in to the green. Which both amazes and depresses me.

Carl Nichols

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I've posted this before, but he reached #17 at Olympic with driver, 8 iron during his qualifying round at the US Am.

On #16 he was 285 out with his drive and pushed his 3 wood to the greenside rough beside the right bunker.
What did he make?

Kevin_Reilly

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I've posted this before, but he reached #17 at Olympic with driver, 8 iron during his qualifying round at the US Am.

On #16 he was 285 out with his drive and pushed his 3 wood to the greenside rough beside the right bunker.
What did he make?

Par...pitched on (out of thick grass) and two putted.

I can't recall if he made the putt on #17.
"GOLF COURSES SHOULD BE ENJOYED RATHER THAN RATED" - Tom Watson

JMEvensky

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Being he's an Aggie let's pray he doesn't end his promising career prematurely by falling off a ball washer!

Spoken like a true Longhorn.

Matt_Cohn

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I watched him last week at Lake Merced for a few holes. He putted terribly, probably out of nerves as he was in 2nd place at the time, but I can offer stats from two holes.

On #6, a par-5 somewhat uphill and slightly into the breeze, he hit it 324.

On #10, a narrow 391 yard par-4 slightly into the breeze (it changed), he hit it 330.

He's tall.

Jason Hines

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Tom, let me help you with a Midwestern perspective, you can be tall and still be scrawny from Nebraska.  It’s about girth.

Kelly, I have a graduate degree from A&M and it was always funny to watch your school duke it out with them.   It might depress you, but coming from out state, you were all the same to me…..

TEPaul

"Did he reach the 2nd at Merion in 2?"


Tom Birkert:

Interesting you would ask that on here and I wonder if you even considered who in the world would even know that other than John Hurley himself or perhaps his caddie from around here (if in fact he could even remember shots he hit on a particular hole at Merion during the US Amateur back in 2005).

But you're lucky because I believe I do remember, but why would I? Well, that's a pretty interesting story too I'll get into later.

Sometimes somebody comes along and there is just a certain unusualness to something about it which people instinctively pick up on when it happens. Around here (particularly at Merion)with distance and ball striking at least I can think of two really good examples of that;

1. When Davis Love III came through here back in I guess 1985.
2. When John Hurley did in 2005.

I didn't see Davis's round (64) but I know two of the three guys who played with him and I've spoken with Love's caddy that day. I saw every hole of all the golf Hurley played when he was here in Philadelphia for the 2005 US Amateur.

Why did I do that? Because I saw him in the quarterfinals of the Nebraska Match play championship in the summer of 2005 and even though I did not know the course (Wild Horse) or the guy who was playing him (who beat Hurley on the 19th hole) it took me only about a hole or two to recognize this kid was pretty much an anomaly even compared to the best and most powerful of the young guys he played against (and it didn't take long to hear them say that too).

That got my attention in Nebraska that day and I stuck with him his entire week in Philly in 2005. I played a lot of tournaments against a number of players like Jay Sigel who was arguable as powerful and long as an amateur as any of the Tour players out there and that can be documented as he played against and with them all in so many Masters and US Opens and such.

But Hurley was just that much different from even a Sigel in power and length and ball striking and distance. When I saw him play in Nebraska and that week in Philadelphia in 2005 he didn't even have optimized equipment (apparently of his own choice for a particular reason) for maximum distance with his swing speed and ball speed.

And they did catch him on those USGA computers too during the 2005 US Amateur. That one shot which he admitted a couple of minutes later he really didn't catch very well sure did surprise the USGA tech guys when that shot came up on their computers behind the 5th tee at Merion.

Hurley's ball speed captured by those kinds of computers is over 200mph. Tiger's, for instance, is around 185mph.

But in the real world to watch that on the golf course is just so different, at least for me. His swing is really good, pretty beautiful actually, and his backswing has a nice even tempo to it and he doesn't even take it to parallel (he said he worked very hard on that) and the transition is a nice even tempo too but once he starts coming down after a good transition his arms and the club is just a solid blur through the impact zone, and then he actually seems to finish with a nice even pace and held finish.

That's really different from anything I'd ever seen before but the other thing is the sound---I never heard one like that and the other thing is the ball comes out of there so fast you can hardly even pick up the first 100 yards of it unless you swing your head down the line around the time he's reaching impact. I was definitely not the only one who noticed those things that week in Philadelphia.

I've seen a lot of really powerful players in my career but that guy is different than anything I ever saw before perhaps even Davis Love III in that remarkable power performance he put on at the Walker Cup at Pine Valley in his one and only singles match (I followed that entire match too). There is no question at all that to the USGA officials watching Love that day at PV back in 1985 that that was some kind of window on the future with distance they had definitely never seen before and they definitely knew it and appreciated it (although I do recall the looks on their faces were also ones of some concern ;) ).

I believe if you gave Hurley equipment that was completely optimized to and for him there probably isn't anyone out there he couldn't fly. To believe it you pretty much have to see it, and one can't really tell by just watching one or two of his shots. Follow him all week and you can tell though and that brings up something else pretty interesting about his distance I'll mention later.

« Last Edit: May 24, 2009, 11:14:52 AM by TEPaul »

Tom Birkert

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By the sounds of it he is a prodigious hitter. I attended the Seve Trophy a few years ago and was able to get pretty close to a lot of the players and watch their swings. Amongst all the professionals playing there was one whose contact and sound off the clubface was in a different league to anyone else.

Sergio Garcia.

Going on what you have said I imagine Mr Hurley would produce a similar - if not even more apparent - sound that distinguishes him from other players. Ball speed over 200mph means a swing speed of over 135mph which quite frankly is astonishing.

My friend who hit the 2nd at Merion with a 3 iron is a very long hitter with a strange action through the ball, he keeps his hands very close to his legs and really rips through the ball with body, keeping his arms as passive as can be.

I marvel at people who can generate that sort of club head speed and make it look so easy.

Now where are the anti-depressants?!

TEPaul

Tom Birkert:

To go back to Merion's 2nd hole and what Hurley did on it I do recall in one of the two rounds I saw him play on that hole (one practice and the other qualifying) he did hit a really big drive and had a 3 iron in his hand intending to go at the green. I think I recall his caddie thought he needed even less club than that but no matter his actual second shot was pretty bad----eg I think he might have blocked it right out of bounds which is not hard to do even with very good players on that hole. I remember seeing Brad Faxon do the same thin on that hole in the US Open and he was only trying to layup.  ;)

Jason Hines

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Tom, let me help you with a Midwestern perspective, you can be tall and still be scrawny from Nebraska.  It’s about girth.

Kelly, I have a graduate degree from A&M and it was always funny to watch your school duke it out with them.   It might depress you, but coming from out state, you were all the same to me…..


Jason,

I have an under graduate degree from A&M. I spent 3 years at Texas, changed my major, Texas didn't offer it so I had to transfer. As my sister said which sums up sentiments in Texas, if someone in the family had to go to A&M, I sure am glad it was you and not me.  I think most Texans either liked the Aggies or hated them, not a lot of in  between. I think you are right in the kids being all the same, that can be said about kids from Tech as well.  Right about now kids are graduating high schoool down there and starting to split up between those 3 schools.  However I would say A&M was much more conservative when I was there and Texas had a much greater amount of diversity: Conservative Greeks to pot smoking hippies all mixed together.

Well said.

mike_malone

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Tom,

   My recollection is that he hit OB on # 2. I was there.
AKA Mayday

Drew Standley

Another freak of nature is Jhonattan Vegas who recently finished his college golf at Texas.  I've played with him a handful of times here in Houston and every time I was amazed at how hard and pure he can strike the golf ball.  I am no short hitter by far but this kid is in another world altogether.  I need to try to catch a glimpse of this Hurley cat to see how he measures up.     

 

Jon Spaulding

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Bump, and congrats to this Hurley dude and the Texas A&M team. Mr. Hurley gave his opponent quite a whacking in the finals.
You'd make a fine little helper. What's your name?

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