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Rob Rigg

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Hello Treehouse,

I do not think there is a photo tour of Royal Oaks on the site, but I could be wrong.

For anyone who is interested, I have provided a link to a fairly detailed photo tour.

http://www.thewalkinggolfer.com/Royal_Oaks.html

Due to the size of the pictures I would need to reformat for this site - and I'm too tired to do so this evening. Sorry for being lazy.

Pete_Pittock

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Re: Royal Oaks Country Club - Vancouver, WA - Photo Tour link
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2009, 12:34:04 AM »
Rob,
Thanks for the tour. The course is always a joy to play. Accuracy on the approach is the key to scoring. Strategy is basic, always be below the hole, don't short side yourself. Strong par 3s.
The course was designed by local Fred Federspiel who was quite active in the NW after the war. Nice framed article about the founding in the main hallway. Greens will stimp at 10.5 or higher during the season. One of the winners of their Invitational is an Eldrick Woods.

As pointed out later, a correction for the last sentence: Woods won the 1994 PNGA Amateur, held at Royal Oaks.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2009, 01:12:15 AM by Pete_Pittock »

Rob Rigg

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Re: Royal Oaks Country Club - Vancouver, WA - Photo Tour link
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2009, 01:34:39 AM »
Hi Pete,

Thanks for providing the architect's name. No one who I spoke with at the club recalled who the archi was, apparently the super has tweaked the course a bit over his time at the club.

The members I played with mentioned that the Invitational is a great tournament. It would be fun to watch some really skilled players take on the tight fairways.

A really nice compact layout for sure.

W.H. Cosgrove

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Re: Royal Oaks Country Club - Vancouver, WA - Photo Tour link
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2009, 11:59:16 AM »
Royal Oaks is the perfect example of tree program reaching its end.  They have been very diligent about thinning and saving trees.  What they are left with is a beautiful stand of trophy trees......the conundrum......What do we remove now? 
« Last Edit: May 24, 2009, 11:40:57 PM by W.H. Cosgrove »

Dale Jackson

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Re: Royal Oaks Country Club - Vancouver, WA - Photo Tour link
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2009, 11:19:58 PM »
A small correction - Mr. Woods won the PNGA Amateur at Royal Oaks, not a club invitational.
I've seen an architecture, something new, that has been in my mind for years and I am glad to see a man with A.V. Macan's ability to bring it out. - Gene Sarazen

Rob Rigg

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Re: Royal Oaks Country Club - Vancouver, WA - Photo Tour link
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2009, 11:18:07 PM »
Mr Cosgrove,

How have other courses in the NW dealt with the burgeoning tree situation at their courses?

It seems like most of them are "Audobon Certified", etc. which likely makes it harder to chop wood, even if it would benefit play.

Almost every "classic" course in the Portland area has what appear to be narrow tree lined fairways that could probably use some opening up or heavy pruning. I would imagine one gets used to it as a regular, but initially it can feel like you are playing in very tight corridors.

I know that at some of these courses, trees were planted after several years of play so their presence may not mesh with the original architects intent or design.

Jeff Doerr

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Re: Royal Oaks Country Club - Vancouver, WA - Photo Tour link
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2009, 09:35:18 AM »
If I recall correctly, I think Muir Graves did a pretty major refresh here.

I'll affirm that the greens are usually FAST. I've had one of my best rounds at Royal Oaks, but also had back to back 4 putts on 9 and 10 - Ouch!
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W.H. Cosgrove

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Re: Royal Oaks Country Club - Vancouver, WA - Photo Tour link New
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2009, 10:02:10 AM »
Bob, many courses in the PNW have a similar problem.  Those that have undergone a thoughtful approach to the tree issue ultimately end up where Royal Oaks has gotten.  Columbia Edgewater, just across the Columbia River is probably another good example.  I don't know about the other Portland courses but certainly Fircrest in Tacoma found itself in need of the removal of 360 trees.  Their removal has opened areas and exposed architecture that had been lost to encroachment. 

The problem is often members who fear making their course "to easy" through the opening of corridors.  My own home course, Oakbrook is now 43 years old.  When built, it was a fairly open prairie with stands of Gerry (Oregon White, now endangered) Oaks.  Well meaning members planted hundreds of small Douglas Firs which are now overgrowing the slow maturing oaks.  When attempts are made to thin the 'to easy' argument is used when in actuality the course begins to be uni-dimensional.  Options for 2nd shots into greens have now become impossible resulting in tee shots being placed into one area and then the same 2nd over and over.  BORING!

This alone may be the one reason that courses in the PNW are overlooked on ranking lists.  Some deserving courses are simply dissappearing beneath beautiful stands of Fir, Cedar and Sequoia. 
« Last Edit: May 26, 2009, 11:36:05 PM by W.H. Cosgrove »

Dan Herrmann

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Re: Royal Oaks Country Club - Vancouver, WA - Photo Tour link
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2009, 10:20:58 AM »
W.H.  amen - I couldn't believe how much Riverside (PDX) had narrowed since I moved East in '93 till I played it again 12 years later.