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Matt_Ward

Re: Should every course have a drivable par 4?
« Reply #25 on: May 18, 2009, 06:24:19 PM »
Anthony:

In short -- not "every course" has to have any type of hole. It must fit the landscape and clearly add to the overall design. The worst thing would be to add such a hole to a site and it turns out to be more dud than stud.

The 13th at Sand Hollow in Hurricane, UT works superbly to the position occupies on the course and what the design elements you encounter when playing it.

Keep in mind, that a driveable par-4 really needs to have a neat balance with risk and reward at the forefront. Too many holes offer plenty of reward but little risk. Some also have the reverse -- plenty of risk but little reward.

No doubt as golfers age and / or lose distance the wherewithal of such holes to be entertaining can be limited. For example, the 10th at Riviera is often mentioned as a great short par-4 and I do concur but the wherewithal of people to drive the green is really lmited to a very small percentage of players.


Damon Groves

Re: Should every course have a drivable par 4?
« Reply #26 on: May 18, 2009, 06:43:08 PM »
While it depends on the lay out and the land it is nice to have holes that while not necessarily driveable but a least bring the risk reward strategy's into play. I think that is the bigger issue.

Lester George

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Re: Should every course have a drivable par 4?
« Reply #27 on: May 18, 2009, 06:59:12 PM »
Yes, as a matter of balance and fun.  Must be correctly designed, but every course should have one.

Lester

Jay Kirkpatrick

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Re: Should every course have a drivable par 4?
« Reply #28 on: May 18, 2009, 07:18:58 PM »
absolutely...

i don't buy this "its gotta fit the land" premise.  surely, it can't be that hard to find a short par 4 on a blank slate.  its not like you have to sacrifice the other holes to find 250-300 yards of potential intrigue. 

my only frustration on my home club's current renovation is that we didn't add a driveable/short par 4.  unfortunately, the architect couldn't get to the club's yardage "target" and have one of these.  and thats why yardage targets are stupid in my opinion... reaching a total yardage shouldn't take precedent over strategic merit.  oh well...

Patrick_Mucci

Re: Should every course have a drivable par 4?
« Reply #29 on: May 18, 2009, 10:44:11 PM »


THe drivable par 4 can add a great deal of fun to a round. The drivable par 4 can be a good way for the architect to add risk/reward to the layout.

What are the plus/minuses to the course featuring a drivable par 4?

Anthony,

I can't see a negative associated with having a drivable par 4.

Unfortunately, today, that could be a 400 yard hole  ;D

But, for Amateurs, club players, I think they add an element of excitement.



 

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