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Jordan Wall

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The Glory of Riviera
« on: April 28, 2009, 02:18:36 PM »
Recently I had the wonderful chance to play Riviera CC.  Going into the round, I had high expectations, based on what I had seen on television and heard of the course.

Riviera blew away all my expectations.

Looking down at the broad expanse that makes out the first two holes, and to the right where the rest of the course is laid out before your eyes, left me in awe.  What a view.  The scale of the place was far more grand and magnificent then I had ever imagined.  Looking down at number ten was probably my favorite sight and my most vived memory of staring down at the course.  It blew me away, despite all I had heard about the hole.  The bunkers large, the hole very spacious, the green a sliver, and just incredible.  The view from up by the pro shop, above the course, just makes you run to the first tee.

On the course, there were no weak holes.  If you asked me about the worst hole on the course, I couldn't do it, because there is no such thing.  Instead each hole has it's own character, each hole inspires you to the next one.  Even putting out on my favorite holes (4, 6, and 10), I was not let down by the following hole.  Everything was top notch and fantastic.  The diversity of the holes is unmatched and I loved how so many holes required different shots, off the tee and around the green and from the fairway.

The fourth hole is perhaps the best par-3 I have ever seen.  Stepping on that tee, and see what lies in front of you, it's so intimidating yet at the same time I have never looked forward to a challenge so much.  In the same respect, I think that's the first time I've hit driver on a par-3 hole.  Into the wind, it played long!!  I love how the slope right would kick your ball toward the green, however if it was not struck perfectly there is the risk of winding up in the right bunker, or short in the greenside bunker.  If the tee shot doesn't get far enough , it may end up on the hill leaving a touchy recovery shot that can be played with essentially any club in the bag.  The hole is just so diabolical.  It's not often you have to really think about what club to hit from 25 or 30 yards out.

The sixth hole presented one of the most unique and well designed greens I have ever seen.  With the pin on the right side of the green, I pulled my tee shot in equal distance with the bunker, on the left (opposite side).  I had a putt that I had to go around a bunker, yet the contours of the green made it manageable, though the putt required lots of precision and accuracy.  This, much like the fourth, was diabolical in that the tee shot has to be so precise because of that lone bunker in the middle of the green.  The contours allow for some of the most fun recovery shots, requiring lots of thought and creativity.  What a hole.  Oh, BTW, I two putted.
 :)

The tenth hole has been discussed ad nauseum and as such I don't want to go on too much about it but it was as fantastic and even better then people say.  It really is a hole that has to bee seen to be believed.  That green, or sliver of tightly mown grass, whatever you want to call, is incredibly unique and the tiniest I have ever seen.  After playing Pebble, I wasn't sure if that was possible, but the tenth green is just flat out miniscule.  What a wonderful, wonderful golf hole.

I'd like to mention #7 as one of my favorite holes not often talked about.  I loved how the bunkers required precision off the tee in order to gain the best angle into the green.  The green is tiny and can be approached many ways.  I loved how the running approach was an option as into the wind it played somewhat long.  Just a fun hole, not often mentioned, that I thought was wonderful and deserved mention as one of my personal favorites on the course.


The bunkering was some of the best I have ever seen.  Granted, I have not seen nearly as much as most of you guys but I know good bunkering when I see it.  There was not one bunker on the entire course that did not serve a legitimate purpose.  Off the tee, bunkers guarded the best angle into the greens and required ultimate precision to gain an advantage on the given hole.  The greenside bunkers complemented the fairway bunkers and were real brutes.  They scramed to be stayed away from.  They were deep, and left difficult recoveries, just as bunkers should.  Though this might seem like a redudant opinion, I thought the bunkering on the tenth was among the best on the course.  The bunkers presented a challenge for every shot played, even the five yard greenside bunker shot.  Just fantastic.

The greens were full of contour and were lots of fun.  I have never encountered a more fun and diverse set of greens.  Some greens were subtle, like 16, and some were wild and full of fun, like the already mentioned sixth.  I loved the diversity of green shapes and sizes as well.  The boomerang on the first, the redan like fourth, the reverse biarritx fifteenth - it was all great.  The greens also placed a premium on approaches, a good thing, as one has to pay extra attention so as not to get above the hole.  They are fast!

The scale of the entire course was far more grand then I had ever imagined.  The corridors for holes were huge.  There were big, wide expanses between holes and not once did I ever feel cramped or anything close to it on the entire golf course.  The fairways were a lot bigger than I had pictured as well.  Everything was just big.  The bunkers especially.  Huge, deep, wild, and fun.  And looking down at the course from the clubhouse.  The scale of the entire course was enormous, and that surprised me.  It was really cool.

I think the biggest single feature on the course that shocked me was the hill on the finishing hole.  It's huge, and I definitely did not expect that.  It must have been some forty feet, just a monster.  I remember walking up that hill, looking back down from the top, and just thinking wow.

Riviera was quite an experience.  The hospitality of the staff, members, and the ambiance and atmosphere of the place made it a one of a kind experience.  The golf course was great, and as mentioned, exceeded my expectations in every way. 

If you ever get the chance to play this gem, do so and be prepared - its wonderful!

Cheers,
Jordan

Tom Huckaby

Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2009, 02:27:43 PM »
Jordan - very cool you got to experience Riviera.  Though I haven't been there in years, from what I read, here, see... it's worth all the superlatives.

However....

The fourth hole is perhaps the best par-3 I have ever seen.

Come on man, I know you have played Cypress Point.  Do you so soon forget?  Or can we stress the word "perhaps" in that?

 ;D

Jordan Wall

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2009, 02:29:45 PM »
Jordan - very cool you got to experience Riviera.  Though I haven't been there in years, from what I read, here, see... it's worth all the superlatives.

However....

The fourth hole is perhaps the best par-3 I have ever seen.

Come on man, I know you have played Cypress Point.  Do you so soon forget?  Or can we stress the word "perhaps" in that?

 ;D

Tom,

Not yet...

Tom Huckaby

Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2009, 02:31:03 PM »
Aha. Not sure where I got that... so.... NEVER MIND.

I need to play Riviera again myself.  Too many people I trust love it too much.  It's been way too long.

TH

Mike Wagner

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2009, 02:36:28 PM »
Jordan,

Great experience!  On a more important note, your Cougs need your help at SGC RIGHT NOW!

Bill_McBride

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2009, 02:48:58 PM »
Jordan, you macho man, tell us how you played #10 please. 

Thanks!  Glad you got to play Riviera, I saw it for the first time as a spectator at the Northern Trust in February this year and loved it too.  Great course that did indeed exceed expectations.

Anthony Gray

Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2009, 02:51:54 PM »


  Jordan,

  What did you wear?

  Anthony


Lou_Duran

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2009, 03:43:55 PM »
Curious how different people can look at the same thing and come away with such varied opinions.

For example, Jordan cites #4 as "the best par 3" he has ever seen.  Now, I know that he recently played Sherwood's #17, indisputably a much superior hole  ;) , so maybe the lad is overly influenced by the glitter and fame of Hollywood and Riviera.  I will say that the hole looks impressive and who doesn't love a man-sized Redan?  But I was really disappointed with how the hole played for LSU's Tiger.  He hit a perfectly flighted driver into a pretty good wind, hits the knoll on the right side expecting the requisite Redan kick toward the green, only to see the ball bounce but a few yards straight forward like it hit a patch of velcro.  Redan my _ _ _, and it wasn't even my shot.

As to the scale, it was cool looking down from the clubhouse area, but the course and the major features hardly appear grand in a spatial sense.  The clubhouse and hotel at the rim of the canyon is another matter.

I find that Riviera is an excellent course which, like Colonial CC in Fort Worth, gets additional cachet because of its history and high profile.  Of course, I am probably wrong and welcome the opportunity to play it again in order to discover its true value.   

Garland Bayley

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2009, 04:01:31 PM »
Aha. Not sure where I got that... so.... NEVER MIND.

I need to play Riviera again myself.  Too many people I trust love it too much.  It's been way too long.

TH

Tom,

You probably remember his long winded thread about how he managed to get on PB last KP with a bit of lawyering (pleading his case). We'll call him the Bob Jenkins protege for that bit of work.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Chris Ord

Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2009, 06:49:49 PM »
Jordan: I second that emotion! 

I had the opportunity to play Riviera last year and it well exceeded my incredibly high expectations.  Every hole seem to have its own flavor, while still being part of coherent 18.  #4 is a classic, and #10 lives up to the hype as the greatest short par-4 in the world.  I also thought #5 was a really fun hole, as was #7. 

I was also surprised at the depth of the bunkers.  Unfortunately, I found myself in a fair amount of them, and they were all head high or higher.  A just penalty, if you ask me.

Bob Jenkins

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2009, 06:59:11 PM »

Anthony,

Jordan will be posting my pics so you can check out his boring wardrobe.

Garland,

Although Jordan came up with some great whining to get him, Mayhugh and I onto Pebble last year, he did not need to whine to get onto Riviera. Only to get me on with him.

Jordan,

When I can break away this evening from work I will say more but Riviera was even better than I imagined. I am going to go back and look at old pics to compare the current bunkering with the original as I understand Mr. Fazio has made many changes. Loved no. 4 and just wanted to stand around looking at it. No 5 too.

My only comment on the other side was we were playing the blues or whatever the back tees are and especially into the wind so it seemed as though I had my 19 degree fairway wood out more than I ever have in the past. Or maybe that is a sign of me being a wimp.

Loved the day and everything about it.


Garland Bayley

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2009, 07:04:23 PM »

...
Garland,

Although Jordan came up with some great whining to get him, Mayhugh and I onto Pebble last year, ...


That's the "lawyering" I referred to. Interesting that you call it something different! ;)
I have no idea how he got on Riviera.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Richard Choi

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2009, 08:31:14 PM »
I've got a feeling the 17th a Sherwood will be mentioned quite frequently on this board in the future... :)

Mike_Cirba

Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2009, 09:37:32 PM »
Jordan,

Riviera is indeed one of those courses where previously high expectations get routinely exceeded.

It's also a course where the features are much more bold and pronounced than they appear from television.

I can recall the first time I saw the rise of the 18th fairway from the tee, playing with Dr. Geoffrey Childs.

Previously, I imagined just driving over an elevated blind rise in the fairway...in person, it looked like trying to drive over a tidal wave at the breaking point!

To me, it's the west-coast-cousin of Merion, and I can't imagine two more strategic and architecturally interesting courses anywhere.

Jordan Wall

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2009, 10:46:00 PM »
Jordan,

Riviera is indeed one of those courses where previously high expectations get routinely exceeded.

It's also a course where the features are much more bold and pronounced than they appear from television.

I can recall the first time I saw the rise of the 18th fairway from the tee, playing with Dr. Geoffrey Childs.

Previously, I imagined just driving over an elevated blind rise in the fairway...in person, it looked like trying to drive over a tidal wave at the breaking point!

To me, it's the west-coast-cousin of Merion, and I can't imagine two more strategic and architecturally interesting courses anywhere.

Mike,

I agree completely.  What a treat, architecturally, Riviera was.

Combined with the fun of the recovery shots, the diversity of the holes, and the scale of the place, it makes for a one of a kind special experience.

I was glad to be part of Riviera for a day, especially with my good friend Bob Jenkins.  Thanks to everyone that made the day special.


Bill,

Pleasure seeing you at KP.  Funny thing on the tenth, I pulled driver and hit it past pin high left of the green.  Bob did the same thing, and out drove me by a yard.  We got a kick out of that.  Both of us managed par.


Cheers,
Jordan

Jordan Wall

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2009, 11:14:59 PM »
The approach at the first.  Wonderful opening hole and great green.


Tee shot on the third.


Approach at the third.


From right on four.


Approach on five.


The sixth.  How wonderful is that!?


I two putted this, proudly I might add.


The seventh


Bob teeing off at nine.  Silky smooth.


Tee on ten.


Ideal approach on ten.


Sixteenth tee.


Seventeenth second shot.


Eighteenth approach.


Bob and the view from up top.
« Last Edit: April 28, 2009, 11:19:30 PM by Jordan Wall »

Jim Nugent

Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2009, 02:26:13 AM »
Jordan, suppose you have 15 rounds to split between Riviera, Pebble and Chambers Bay.  How many do you play at each course? 

Garland Bayley

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #17 on: April 29, 2009, 11:39:36 AM »
...

To me, it's the west-coast-cousin of Merion, and I can't imagine two more strategic and architecturally interesting courses anywhere.

Didn't CB MacDonald do the routing for Riviera on a trip promoting the USGA on the west coast?
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Jon Wiggett

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #18 on: April 29, 2009, 12:21:21 PM »
...

To me, it's the west-coast-cousin of Merion, and I can't imagine two more strategic and architecturally interesting courses anywhere.

Didn't CB MacDonald do the routing for Riviera on a trip promoting the USGA on the west coast?


No Garland, it was TE Paul ;D

Jordan Wall

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #19 on: April 29, 2009, 12:41:13 PM »
Jordan, suppose you have 15 rounds to split between Riviera, Pebble and Chambers Bay.  How many do you play at each course? 

8 Pebble.
5 Riviera.
2 Chambers.

Pebble is as special as it gets.  I've never had a better, more humbling experience.

However, architecture wise, I think Riviera is the best course.  The options off the tee are less defined, and require more thinking then either Pebble or Chambers.  At Chambers, I feel like every hole is a driver, and while not the case at Pebble, I just feel like Riviera has such a diverse range of options, some being really subtle.

For instance, the third at Riviera.  Into the wind, you have to carry the left bunker, a hearty task at a good 240 or so yards into the wind.  If you dont, there is no hope of stopping a fairway wood from right of that bunker, because you have to carry the greenside bunker to get to the green.  However, by executing the perfect tee shot, the green opens up and you can run a ball up.  Two perfectly placed bunkers make the strategy and execution at such a premium, it's fantastic.

The differenc efor me between Riviera and Chambers, besides the obvious ones, is that iviera works in all aspects and holes.  For instance, the ninth at Chambers doesn't work for me.  The green contours are too bold, too big, and just too much.  However, Riviera's most heavily and boldly contoured par three, the sixth, works fantastically.  The contours allow the bunker to be successfully putted around, as I witnessed personally, and make the hole diabolical.  If you are on the wrong side of the hole at nine at Chambers, there is usually no chance to get close to the hole.

That being said, Pebble just has something the other two courses don't.  It's so special.  Perhaps it's just Pebble being Pebble.  Finishing with my favorite hole in the world.  Taking you from an enchanted journey from an opening tee shot being watched by seventy some spectators, to finishing out with a putt next to the crashing ocean waves.  Nothing beats that for me.  Pebble is just amazing, every single aspect of it.  I have yet to find a course I would rather play.

That being said, I really do believe Riviera is better, architecture wise, it just doesn't have the aura for me.  Chambers is a great course too, but it doesn't hold a lot to me compared to Riviera and Pebble.  Riviera and Pebble have a different level of greatness, a step above Chambers.  I feel like I am playing a bunch of good and great holes at Chambers.  I feel like Riviera and Pebble provide their own journey from the first to the last, flowing perfectly and never backing down, and once you finish, you just kind of scratch your head and say wow, being thankful you could take part in each course for a day.  There's something special about that.

John Mayhugh

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #20 on: April 29, 2009, 03:42:18 PM »
Jordan,
Glad you got to play Riviera.  Sorry you missed Santa Anita, though.

Greg Tallman

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2009, 04:20:55 PM »


Tee on ten.


Arthur Hills designed Riviera?

tlavin

Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2009, 04:30:56 PM »


Tee on ten.


Arthur Hills designed Riviera?

Greg:

Based upon nothing but the photograph, I get your point.  Having said that, the 10th at Riviera is probably the best short par four in the country.  Not everybody is crazy about the bunker shapes at Riviera, mostly because they aren't terribly consistent with the Thomas/Bell bunkers from the days of yore, but they look much better when you're on the ground as opposed to a photograph.  A photo just doesn't do #10 any justice at all.

Garland Bayley

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2009, 04:32:29 PM »


Tee on ten.


Arthur Hills designed Riviera?

No, he just added the cart paths when they became the rage.  ;D
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Greg Tallman

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Re: The Glory of Riviera
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2009, 05:15:19 PM »
Why is the bunker in center of green not hammered on this site? Does it get a pass because it is at Riviera?

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