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mike_beene

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2009, 12:00:14 AM »
Carl,I was going to say Mt Mitchell as well.If there is a more beautiful mountain river on a golf course,I haven't seen it.
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Pete_Pittock

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2009, 12:26:51 AM »
Garland,
I considered both of them, but would have chosen Diamond Woods in Monroe before them. My interpretation of Forrest's question is a course
that is all by lonesome self, but am probably proven wrong by his inclusion of Red Mesa. His description doesn't match the title.

Adam,
Black Forest Highland is in the middle of the mitt.

Forrest,
In Wyoming - Devils Tower





This thread could go horribly wrong if you include courses built with the wrong expectation of housing starts in the last few months.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2009, 12:48:04 AM by Pete_Pittock »
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Jason Hines

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2009, 12:43:00 AM »
Most of my favs have already been listed, however, for those that have played it, would you consider Rochelle Ranch in Rawlins, WY on this list?

http://www.rochelleranch.com/
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mike_beene

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #28 on: March 28, 2009, 12:58:07 AM »
Most obvious one is Pine Dunes in east Texas.
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Rob Rigg

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #29 on: March 28, 2009, 01:12:40 AM »
Juniper in Redmond, OR,

Apparently Battlement Mesa in Co, near Devil's Thumb (?) is another solid off the run course.

Sandpines and Salashan are both bootsy . . .

Is Wolf Point in TX a stand alone rural?
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Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #30 on: March 28, 2009, 06:57:18 AM »
Talking Stick and all the other courses on Indian(Native American) land.

Twisted Dune and Scotland Run in NJ and all the other courses built on landfills, brownfields or sand mines.
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Sam Morrow

Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #31 on: March 28, 2009, 09:08:46 AM »
Sugar Creek Canyons in Hinton, Oklahoma
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ed_getka

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #32 on: March 28, 2009, 10:02:18 AM »
Quote from: Slag Bandoon on March 27, 2009, 08:03:19 PM

   Bayside GC in Ogalalla, NE  (Dan Proctor and Dave Axland)
   Devil's Thumb GC in Delta,  CO (Rick Phelps)
   Bighorn Cliffs in Garlandville, Cerebellum  (Garland Bayley)
   Royal Husum Hills National TPC in Husum, WA (Drunken Lumberjacks)

 A couple of interesting choices there Slag. :)
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Craig Sweet

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #33 on: March 28, 2009, 10:10:06 AM »
Circling Raven....
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George Freeman

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #34 on: March 28, 2009, 01:40:15 PM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the Bandon Dunes complex the ultimate "build it and they will come" example?
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Carl Johnson

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #35 on: March 28, 2009, 06:28:11 PM »
Quote from: mike_beene on March 28, 2009, 12:00:14 AM
Carl,I was going to say Mt Mitchell as well.If there is a more beautiful mountain river on a golf course,I haven't seen it.

It remains beautiful even when you put your ball into it, although not when it floods.
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Cliff Hamm

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #36 on: March 28, 2009, 07:14:39 PM »
Lawsonia
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Doug Ralston

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #37 on: March 28, 2009, 07:19:25 PM »
Do Park system courses count?

And how about Twisted Gun in WV. That is no where near anything and hard as hell to find at all. Also in WV The Raven is park related and Snowshoe resort sure is out of the way.

The entire KY park trail is near nothing. Lots to fit these limits.

Doug
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Bob Jenkins

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #38 on: March 28, 2009, 07:39:14 PM »

Richard Zokol's new Sagebrush course near Quilchena, B.C. is definitely "stand alone", albeit not really public. It will be open in May. From the website,  www.sagebrushgolf.com   and based on pics posted on this forum, it should be very successful.

Another course in NW Washington that could be considered a "stand alone" is Shuksan, which is north west of Bellingham Wa.  Not long, some big elevation changes but a heck of a lot of "fun". Nothing anywhere near it.

Then there is Sean Leary's favourite, Furry Creek, although it has some housing. Problem is not a lot of people came, except some tourists who were told how spectacular the views were on this Robert Muir Graves course. Views are spectacular but the golf is definitely not.

George Freeman has it bang on, however. re Bandon being the ultimate "build it and they will come". The other, although not advertised at all and private, is Ballyneal. As a "one off" destination, it is super special.

Bob Jenkins
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Forrest Richardson

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #39 on: March 29, 2009, 10:26:09 AM »
The ultimate for this list would be the pure public, government undertaking that is rural or not in the mega-city* — but, my original parameters were very wide, so keep the suggestions coming.

*Talking Stick hardly qualifies as it sits, literally, on the edge of 3.2 million people...but, I like the course and appreciate the feedback.
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Roger Wolfe

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #40 on: March 29, 2009, 12:01:19 PM »
Quote from: Tim Gavrich on March 27, 2009, 10:41:26 PM
Primland out in southern Virginia.


Primland is truly amazing.  I have been up there four times and, although modern and difficult, it is stunning.  And as far as qualifying as a stand alone, nothing comes close.  Drive 30 miles from the interstate to nowhere, then keep going up a gravel (they might have paved it) winding road up the mountain.  Coming from the Blue Ridge parkway is especially challenging since you drive right up the side of the mountain... one bad turn and you are plummeting 500 feet into the Dan River Gorge below.  If you haven't played it... you must.  Jeff Fraim, the head pro, is a great guy and its worth every penny.
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Forrest Richardson

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #41 on: April 22, 2009, 10:51:53 PM »
I am finalizing this list — any others?
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Scott Sander

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #42 on: April 23, 2009, 03:46:30 AM »
Since you added the qualifier "primarily" to Western, I thought I'd mention that several of the top publics in Indiana fit the bill, just in case Western means west of, say, Columbus. :)

Rock Hollow
Bear Slide
Purgatory
Trophy Club

Not a single house on any of those, IIRC.  Three are within a 40 minute drive of Indianapolis, so perhaps that disqualifies them - but they are well and truly surrounded by farmland.

Also - Sultan's Run just has a couple of homes, but only just.
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Joe Hancock

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #43 on: April 23, 2009, 05:51:28 AM »
Quote from: Forrest Richardson on April 22, 2009, 10:51:53 PM
I am finalizing this list — any others?

In case I missed it in the previous threads...what is this list being "finalized" for?

Joe
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Brad Klein

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #44 on: April 23, 2009, 07:38:45 AM »
Forrest, not sure why you'd want to perpetuate the myth in this market of "build it and they will come," since in many cases listed above, no one came, or certainly not enough to make a go of it.

Bandon and Sand Hills are the exception, not the rule.

Apparently this is a list intended for purists who don't worry about building, paying or operating.
« Last Edit: April 23, 2009, 07:43:02 AM by Brad Klein »
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Chris_Blakely

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #45 on: April 23, 2009, 09:17:50 AM »
Quote from: Adam Clayman on March 27, 2009, 11:58:03 PM
Michigan has quite a few.

Angle's Crossing

Diamond Springs

Greywalls (semi)

Pilgrim's Run

Tullymore



Adam,

Angel's Crossing has built housing as part of what was or is to be the 3rd nine there (the lots are shown on the website and some have already been sold and built on).

http://www.golfangelscrossing.com/default2.asp?active_page_id=87

Tullymore is intended to be part of a housing developement - when I played it several years ago, I do not believe they had built any houses yet.

http://02a4831.netsolhost.com/

Chris
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Bill_McBride

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #46 on: April 23, 2009, 09:25:10 AM »
Quote from: Rob Rigg on March 28, 2009, 01:12:40 AM
Is Wolf Point in TX a stand alone rural?

Absolutely, it's about 90 minutes south of the outer loop in Houston and feels even more remote.  It's a lovely quiet and private place out there.
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Patrick Kiser

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Re: The "Stand-alone," Rural List
« Reply #47 on: April 23, 2009, 11:28:15 AM »
Good call from Ed on Wildhorse.

Ditto for Scott on La Purisima.

But for both cases and most of the others (even Rustic which is an obvious choice to me now), I would agree with Brad that I would not make the trip to just play those.  There has to be more to justify that kind of trip.  Like a Ballyneal, Sand Hills, and Wildhorse tri-fecta.

This a tough argument to make I'd say.

Maybe Pasa as suggested or Cliff's suggestion for Lawsonia ... although the latter is hardly Western.

But in the spirit of what's been posted thus far, I think the following I've played come to mind initially:

- Roddy Ranch (jeez Tim ... how can you forget this one?  Get with the program already :-) )
- Poppy Ridge (Kyle's backyard)
- San Geronimo (but now it has housing)
- Barona (eventhough it's a casino resort)
- We Ko Pa
- Apache Stronghold (maybe not anymore but certainly when it opened)

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