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Tom Yost

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Papago to host the Phoenix LPGA stop, March 26-29 2009
« on: February 12, 2009, 11:08:06 AM »
This was mentioned in another thread, but I thought it deserved its own topic.

John Davis' article in today's Arizona Republic detailing some of the challenges being faced.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/golf/articles/2009/02/11/20090211lpgapapago.html


Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Papago to host the Phoenix LPGA stop, March 26-29 2009
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2009, 10:37:06 PM »
The course needs some good weather, no clubhouse, parking problems exist,etc. I wonder what other clubs/courses were considered.

Here's Bill Huffman's article:

http://www.azgolf.org/livelearnplay/articleDetails.asp?Category=37&Article=115
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Tom Yost

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Re: Papago to host the Phoenix LPGA stop, March 26-29 2009
« Reply #2 on: March 19, 2009, 12:34:40 PM »
John Davis' column in this morning's Arizona Republic reports on the preparations at Papago for the LPGA.

http://www.azcentral.com/sports/golf/articles/2009/03/18/20090318spt-lpgapapago.html


Papago all set for LPGA next week

by John Davis - Mar. 18, 2009 04:53 PM
The Arizona Republic

The browns are turning green.

Tournament structures have risen from the ground.

Some LPGA Tour pros have been getting a close-up look at Papago Golf Course and they like what they see.

The refurbished Phoenix municipal course has come a long way in the six weeks since it was chosen as the new site of the J Golf Phoenix LPGA International tournament, which will be played next week.

"Six weeks ago, virtually everything was brown," said Tom Maletis, president of Tournament Golf Foundation, which runs the event. "The greens weren't green, the trees hadn't started to leaf out yet and there were no structures in place.

"All of that has changed. It's been a very big challenge considering the time frame, but we feel good about how we've met that as far as everything outside the ropes."

Inside the ropes, Valley resident Louise Friberg of Sweden thinks tour players are going to enjoy the challenges Papago offers.

Friberg, who is defending her title this week in the MasterCard Classic in Mexico, has played Papago three times over the past month and said its maturity has been impressive.

"I know it used to be one of the top public courses in Arizona back in the day, which is what they have tried to re-create, and I think they're on the right track," Friberg said. "With the difference I've seen over the past four weeks, by the time the tournament starts, I think it's going to be great.

"I didn't play it before (it was refurbished), but I think it's a fun track that definitely has some challenges. It's a course that has some options in how to set it up and how to play it, and that appeals to golfers."

Friberg is one of about a dozen tour players who have teed it up at Papago since it was named the site of the event that was played the past five years at Superstition Mountain Country Club in Gold Canyon.

Others, who are not competing this week in Mexico, are expected to get their first look at Papago later this week, including Michelle Wie.

Wie, 19, is in her first year as an LPGA pro and next week will mark the first time as a pro that she will play in the same event as top-ranked Lorena Ochoa of Mexico, who is the two-time defending champion.

The Phoenix event will be the first on the tour this year to be played on the U.S. mainland and has received commitments from all of the top 100 players on last year's money list.

"The field is really impressive, and I think they have a pretty good understanding of our situation here as far as the amenities and so on," Maletis said.

"I think the big thing to players is the quality of the course, and the routing of Papago is just great. There are some wonderful golf holes and I really think the players are going to love it. Our only concern has been the condition because of its newness, but I think we have a pretty good handle on that at this point."

For the tournament, the two nine-hole segments will be reversed, so the ninth hole, with water running down the right side of the fairway and green, will play as No. 18.

Billy Bell Jr., the original designer, whose other layouts include Torrey Pines in San Diego, suggested at times that the two nines at Papago could be flip-flopped. Both start with a par-5 hole. The course will be set up to play at 6,711 yards.

Bleachers and corporate tents have been constructed beside and behind the ninth green. Other structures have been raised for media and hospitality areas, along with a temporary locker room for players.

Greens, which are surfaced with a Bermuda hybrid, were not overseeded and figure to be firm for the tournament, although agreeable weather has helped with their grow-in.

"It's new. That what it comes down to, and the greens are what you expect from new greens," said tour official Allison Akin, who was at Papago this week helping set up the course.

"They're pretty firm, and not as fast as some of our courses, but they're good. When you consider the short notice, I think what they've been able to do here is pretty impressive, and if Mother Nature continues to work with us, we're going to be in good shape."

Mark Smolens

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Re: Papago to host the Phoenix LPGA stop, March 26-29 2009
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2009, 01:06:06 PM »
Good thing it's not the PGA Tour showing up there for an event.  The bitching and moaning would be deafening.  I was there two weeks ago, and the conditioning was not close to being at the level the ladies are accustomed to.  Course played very hard and fast tho, so the premium will be on ball striking.  Should be interesting and fun to watch (is there television for this event?)

David Druzisky

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Re: Papago to host the Phoenix LPGA stop, March 26-29 2009
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2009, 01:52:11 PM »
The courses in Phoenix start to get real good about now as the night temps go up and the days are longer.  Things can come around real fast with the Rye grass.  Same with those non-overseeded greens.

C. Squier

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Re: Papago to host the Phoenix LPGA stop, March 26-29 2009
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2009, 04:47:11 PM »
I played Papago two days ago.  I think the ladies will have a great time there, I was very impressed with the course.  Course was full, but played in 4 hours teeing off at noon.  They were mixing in mandatory walking tee times, I'm assuming to give the course a bit of a break from the wear and tear of carts. 

Definitely a great way to spend a day in Phoenix, it's an easy walk 'n carry. 

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Papago to host the Phoenix LPGA stop, March 26-29 2009
« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2009, 09:27:23 AM »
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Hyman Roth to Michael Corleone: "We're bigger than US Steel."
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Forrest Richardson

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Re: Papago to host the Phoenix LPGA stop, March 26-29 2009
« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2009, 08:46:18 PM »
I suggested that they get 100 motorhomes and line them up, end to end, along Monroe Street. Then, run courtesy golf cart shuttles along the road. I do not believe they thought I was serious — but I was. It will be interesting to see how the course gets treated. With the PR arm of the AGA and LPGS, I imagine it will come out fine, and that it will be well liked despite the lack of facilities.
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Tom_Doak

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Re: Papago to host the Phoenix LPGA stop, March 26-29 2009
« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2009, 10:21:32 PM »
Conditioning aside, it is a MUCH better venue for the LPGA to move to Papago.  Superstition Mountain was 30+ miles out of town, which must have had a limiting effect on crowds.

Also, the late Heather Farr grew up playing Papago.

PThomas

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Re: Papago to host the Phoenix LPGA stop, March 26-29 2009
« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2009, 10:23:51 PM »
LPGA lost another tournament the other day, so i'm sure they are glad to play anywhere!

be VERY interesting to see how it and the Senior Tour weather these economic storms

199 played, only Augusta National left to play!

Forrest Richardson

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Re: Papago to host the Phoenix LPGA stop, March 26-29 2009
« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2009, 10:32:07 PM »
Tom D. — Superstition Mtn. is more like 40 miles from most anyplace, but that is nothing in Phoenix and its 3 Million plus population. Papago will be more centrally located, but there are ZERO facilities presently...ZIP...NONE...Not even a restroom.   :-X
« Last Edit: March 23, 2009, 05:35:03 PM by Forrest Richardson »
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Mark Smolens

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Re: Papago to host the Phoenix LPGA stop, March 26-29 2009
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2009, 05:16:32 PM »
They left enough trees out there to do one's business, tho I'm not certain my mother would find much solace in that.  There was a restroom under construction out there two weeks ago.  Wonder if that will be completed in time?

Duane Sharpe

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Re: Papago to host the Phoenix LPGA stop, March 26-29 2009
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2009, 07:16:12 PM »
I just played there on Wednesday and I was impressed with the lay out and variety of holes.  It will be a great golf course some day but it should not be hosting a LPGA event any time soon. The conditions were embarassing,especially as a superintendent.  It is SO rough around the edges, I think the ladies will be questioning the location. I my mind, they are NOT ready for a tournament of this magnatude. The driving range tee was an embarrasment.  At most locations, the ladies are spoiled, this will not be the case this week.
The greens were very firm and rolling well. This is the best feature of the golf course.

I realize the lay out and golf course is wonderful and should be show cased but not now. It is not the time! Poor timing!
Sharpee

Steve_ Shaffer

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Re: Papago to host the Phoenix LPGA stop, March 26-29 2009
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2009, 08:32:10 PM »
The course looks pretty good on tv. I'm watching it now. Very windy day in the Valley of the Sun.


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