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Mark Alexander

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The best architects you've never heard of
« on: March 18, 2009, 07:42:45 AM »
We all know who the big boys are, but who would you say are the rising stars of contemporary golf course design?
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Philippe Binette

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2009, 08:21:00 AM »
Architects that the general public hasn't heard of

or

Architects that the general publics and GCA.com is not talking much about.


Ask most golfers to name all the contemporary architects they know and you'll most likely hear:
Tiger Woods
Greg Norman
Rees Jones
Tom Fazio might be a stretch
Pete Dye
and of course Donald Trump ;D

I doubt the list would start by: Tom Doak, Gil hanse and Mike DeVries
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Phil McDade

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2009, 09:11:02 AM »
I've seen some pics of work by Chip Powell that I like a lot. He mainly works in Florida, from what I can tell:



From Bryan Izatt's recent thread on Powell's Venetian course in Fla:

http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,38821.0.html
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Brad Butzke

Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2009, 09:39:05 AM »
Guess it depends on how obscure you're thinking..

Ray Hearn really surprised me at Yarrow. Works mostly in the midwest (primarily Michigan), but has courses on the East Coast and Internationally.
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Jim Thornton

Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2009, 09:56:49 AM »
Fred Findlay - Farmington CC, Charlottesville, VA
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Rich Goodale

Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2009, 09:57:34 AM »
There could be thousands of them out there, Brad, but since I've never heard of any of them I must pass over this thread in silence, or as the great man once said....

"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss man schweiben."

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Tom_Doak

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2009, 10:07:01 AM »
Mark:

Check out the roster of my former interns.  I think some of them will be really good someday ... if they can survive the downturn in the business, and if they don't mind going to where the projects will happen 10 years from now.

I'm sure there are other associates out there who don't get enough credit for what they do, but they are tough to identify.  The ones who will get mentioned are most likely the ones who are most interested in self-promotion, not necessarily the most talented ... although, it's also the former group who are more likely to make a name for themselves down the road.  And the people who could handicap them best (their bosses) are the least likely to make their picks public, because singling out some would be passing over others, and we want EVERYONE to think they're special while they still work for us.
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Yannick Pilon

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2009, 10:23:45 AM »
Me!!! ;D  Could not resist.  It was just too easy....

Joking aside, I hope to be mentioned in a thread like this.... one day!

The bigger names, or the ones consistently producing great quality courses are the ones most likely to get through this crisis.  Guys like me, associates, who work for more established names, are just hoping that the firm they work for will get through the crisis before we can even start thinking about establishing a name for ourselves!

If some of these firms close in the next few months, you will definately have a lot of guys who will become architects you will never hear about!!

YP
« Last Edit: March 18, 2009, 10:25:23 AM by Yannick Pilon »
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Kalen Braley

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2009, 10:26:09 AM »
While he does get a few mentions here on GCA.com, I've really liked what I've seen and played of John Harbottle.  He's doing some really good stuff IMO.
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Tom Huckaby

Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2009, 10:36:30 AM »
Yannick Pilon.

 ;D ;D

Ask and ye shall receive.

But of course I have to cite the great George Santana.

TH
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Sean Leary

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2009, 10:41:52 AM »
Huck,

I thought you were going to say Jon Spaulding... ;) ;)
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Tom Huckaby

Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2009, 10:43:32 AM »
Quote from: Sean Leary on March 18, 2009, 10:41:52 AM
Huck,

I thought you were going to say Jon Spaulding... ;) ;)

My bad.  Add him as well, for sure.
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Philippe Binette

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2009, 10:46:26 AM »
Another vote for Yannick... ;D ;D

If he keeps going... I'll be more popular than Jesus right now
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Mark Alexander

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2009, 11:29:15 AM »
Despite Yannick receiving two votes, a true consensus is yet to be formed about who deserves the rising star garland.
Also, I think Tom made a good point that many of the best architects you've never heard of are camouflaged by their bosses for political purposes.
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Wayne Wiggins, Jr.

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2009, 12:33:47 PM »
How about:

John Fought
Keith Foster
Dan Schlegel

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John Mayhugh

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2009, 12:44:44 PM »
I like what I've seen from Drew Rogers who works for Arthur Hills.  His best known work is at Oitavos in Portugal & Newport National in RI.  Olde Stone in Kentucky is also very good.

If you are talking about architects most avid golfers (that aren't on GCA) haven't heard of, what about Mike Young?  
« Last Edit: March 18, 2009, 04:22:06 PM by John Mayhugh »
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Scott Warren

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #16 on: March 18, 2009, 03:14:24 PM »
Eric Apperley.

Not sure how much love he gets from US and UK guys but he deserves a lot more credit and love than he receives.
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Tim Leahy

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2009, 03:17:49 PM »
Bert Stamps
Brad Bell
Jack Flemming
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Dave_Miller

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #18 on: March 18, 2009, 07:22:32 PM »
Quote from: Mark Alexander on March 18, 2009, 07:42:45 AM
We all know who the big boys are, but who would you say are the rising stars of contemporary golf course design?

TE Paul
Pat Mucci
Wayne Morrison - Oh Right we heard of these guys.
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
 ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
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Andy Hodson

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #19 on: March 18, 2009, 08:39:54 PM »
The esteemed Mike Nuzzo.

Oh...wait....I've heard of him ;D
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Kyle Harris

Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2009, 08:44:05 PM »
*with glint in eye*

Jim Blaukavitch
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2009, 10:04:08 PM »
Tim Cate in the Carolinas.
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Rob Rigg

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2009, 10:14:17 PM »
John Fought - I disagree based on his limited layouts I have played or seen (ie - I could be wrong)

John Harbottle - I totally agree based on his work that I have played or seen (ie - I am right :) )

I also really like what Mike Nuzzo did at Wolf Point, based on the photos, and I would asssume that aside from the GCA.com faithful he is fairly unknown? No offense Mike, but my assumption is that if you are not on a Top 100 or so ranking you have never been heard of by the masses

Side question - Do the masses really care about an architect if he is not an ex or current pro?
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Michael Whitaker

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Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2009, 02:27:14 AM »
Paul Cowley
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Tom Huckaby

Re: The best architects you've never heard of
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2009, 10:23:21 AM »
Side question - Do the masses really care about an architect if he is not an ex or current pro?

Would ex or current pro architects EXIST if the answer to this was "yes, they care, it's the quality of work that matters"?

Come on, Rob...

Out in the real world Tom Doak might as well be Doak Walker.

OK that's stretching it -success in magazine ratings does give a guy like Doak some name recognition - but it's not THAT much of a stretch.

 ;D
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