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Jim Colton

Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #175 on: April 07, 2009, 10:05:38 PM »
Charlie,

  How about an 'Old Mac' approach where each contestant (or team) comes up with a design in the spirit of another architect, dead or alive?  Just a thought.  It would at least create some interest.

  Other than that, I think you should keep churning it out as is and hope it picks up more steam next time.  It was pretty clear that most, if not all, contestants enjoyed partaking, learned from the process and would likely do it again.  Fo Shizzle.
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Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #176 on: April 07, 2009, 10:59:27 PM »
Thanks Jim,

That's a good idea. I'd been struggling to even come up with examples of ways to make the contest more interesting, and that is one way. I know I don't want to just put a topo out there and say 'have at it' again, so your suggestion is a good start. At the very least, putting teams together would help make sure no one is in over their head on sketchup (which I'm assuming we'll use again unless a major uproar occurs in the meantime).


I'm also looking for the hook or gimmick and the architectural style is a contender. Or maybe we should try to produce an alternative routing for Cypress Point ;). I'd love to hear more from anyone interested.
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Jim Colton

Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #177 on: April 08, 2009, 12:38:23 AM »
Sadly, our much ballyhooed esker has been pared down in real life.


"Hole #17…CATHEDRAL…All of the enhancements took place just beyond the landing area and the signature oak tree to the right side of the fairway.
   The large esker, that big mound which comes from the left side front of the green to the middle of the fairway is still there in the same natural shape.  It has been shortened naturally.  Hit a drive to the center of the fairway, and you will now have a full view of the green. "

Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #178 on: April 08, 2009, 12:54:40 AM »
Son of a B*tch! That's like wiping that smirk off the Mona Lisa!
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Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #179 on: April 08, 2009, 12:59:54 AM »
I see that the Dell hole has bitten the dust too. That I'm not outraged about. Does the par 5 use the tees from the Dell?
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Jim Colton

Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #180 on: April 08, 2009, 09:02:49 AM »
Computer simulation of before and after of the 17th at EH (just for fun).

Before:


After:

Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #181 on: April 08, 2009, 09:08:51 AM »
Man, if they're flattening it that much that's too bad.

I was hoping for "Esker Lite" or at worst "Diet Esker", that looks more like "speed bump".
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Jim Colton

Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #182 on: April 08, 2009, 09:13:36 AM »
Charlie,

  Obviously my sarcasm was lost on you.  I think they are just shaving it down a little bit.

Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #183 on: April 08, 2009, 09:20:48 AM »
Hey, it's early. I can barely function before 9.
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Garland Bayley

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #184 on: April 08, 2009, 11:32:25 AM »
Sadly, our much ballyhooed esker has been pared down in real life.


"Hole #17…CATHEDRAL…All of the enhancements took place just beyond the landing area and the signature oak tree to the right side of the fairway.
   The large esker, that big mound which comes from the left side front of the green to the middle of the fairway is still there in the same natural shape.  It has been shortened naturally.  Hit a drive to the center of the fairway, and you will now have a full view of the green. "

What does "shortened naturally" mean. The seeded the clouds so they could have torrents of rain eat away at it? Or, did they turn a bunch of caterpillars loose on it?
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Ross Tuddenham

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #185 on: April 08, 2009, 11:35:43 AM »
I am new what is this contest?

How does it work?

Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #186 on: April 08, 2009, 12:42:08 PM »
Welcome aboard Ross.

A quick synopsis of the contest:

I distributed a topo map and 3D Google Sketchup file for the contestants to use to design a course. The area that the topo map comprised was used to for the real Erin Hills golf course. Competitors used the free program Google Sketchup to draw and create their designs which were then submitted to our panel of judges for rating. When the results were posted, the discussions began and now we are winding this thing up.

I'm planning on doing it again in the future, and right now I'm trying to gather some feedback/suggestions/criticisms to help improve it for next time. Please feel free to post any ideas you have about how an "armchair architecture contest" should be run. To broaden the appeal, while keeping it rewarding and informational for the contestants, is my goal.
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Ross Tuddenham

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #187 on: April 08, 2009, 02:11:44 PM »
that sounds like a very interesting project, is the software difficult to use?

Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #188 on: April 08, 2009, 02:14:36 PM »
Ohhhh, I think Garland and the others should answer that question. ;)


There is a learning curve, but it's doable. There will be more practice before the next contest though, so I hope it isn't too much of an issue.
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Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #189 on: April 08, 2009, 02:38:53 PM »
I do want to get more input on what the contest should become and if we should try to get it a bit more 'established' (whatever that may mean to you).

Also, should it be (as the present one was):

18 holes

large tract of land

focused on the art of routing

conducted via sketchup



Or should those things change? Some possibilities are (this list is certainly not exhaustive, this is where I want as much input as possible):


Fewer holes

design in the style of an architect

"problem" solving (e.g. a difficult stretch of land which must contain 2 or 3 holes to connect different parts of the course)

take on a classic (with or without knowing its identity?)

Design teams (to take the pressure of everyone needing to learn the software)

Conducted using only topographic contour maps (no sketchup)


The list could go on, but I'd like the input of anyone and everyone willing to give it.
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Ross Tuddenham

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #190 on: April 08, 2009, 02:53:19 PM »
Would there be any chance I could have the file just to mess around on?

Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #191 on: April 08, 2009, 03:24:22 PM »
Sure, Ross, go to this link and the first couple of posts (and many subsequent posts as well) should both explain how the contest was to work and contain links to all of the files you'll need.

http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,38102.0.html
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Ross Tuddenham

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #192 on: April 08, 2009, 05:40:31 PM »
Thanks I will take a look.

Ross

Steve Lang

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #193 on: April 08, 2009, 05:49:45 PM »
Hey Charlie & Intersted folks.  some comments below for your consideration..

I do want to get more input on what the contest should become and if we should try to get it a bit more 'established' (whatever that may mean to you).

Also, should it be (as the present one was):

18 holes .. DEFINITELY continue the 18 hole scope, biggest challenge I saw was making those "choices" when you've got more than 18 holes identified and must make the routing work and get back to the starting point one way or the other..

large tract of land .. THE EH acreage you had was just about right.. I almost sent in a 27 hole layout..

focused on the art of routing.. THIS was the most fun.. doing layouts over the topo..

conducted via sketchup.. SKETCHUP looks good on some views, but doesn't seem to show enough contours on many perspective views..  you've mastered itm, but i think its more of a "concept proving" tool like you used it on several of my favorites, #2 & 13 at Foothills Trail,  thanks again!


Or should those things change? Some possibilities are (this list is certainly not exhaustive, this is where I want as much input as possible):


Fewer holes .. NO

design in the style of an architect.. NO who's really to judge??

"problem" solving (e.g. a difficult stretch of land which must contain 2 or 3 holes to connect different parts of the course)

take on a classic (with or without knowing its identity?) ..maybe for some, but not me, give me 18, 27, or 36!!

Design teams (to take the pressure of everyone needing to learn the software) DEFINITELY YES..  THIS WOULD MIMIC REAL LIFE ..EVEN ROCKETEERS GET FIELD INPUT FROM THEIR FUTURE SUPERS!!  ONE CAN RUN OUT OF GAS TRYING TO DO EVERYTHING

Conducted using only topographic contour maps (no sketchup) ..YES I WOULD LIKE THE MOST.. ONE CAN THEN USE PENCIL OR POWER POINT OR ACROBAT TO MAKE WORKUPS.. USING THE MIND'S EYE OVER LAND DEFINTION IN THE ROUTING PROCESS I THINK IS THE REAL ART OF GCA..  GETTING SOME TOPO MAPS OR DEM DATA ISN'T THAT HARD.. WOULD BE BEST IF IT WASN'T AN EXISTING SITE EITHER

The list could go on, but I'd like the input of anyone and everyone willing to give it.

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Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #194 on: April 08, 2009, 07:59:53 PM »
Thanks for the input Steve! I hear you loud and clear.

Please, others feel free to chime in, even if you definitely will never participate. If you have a good idea we'll still use it.
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Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #195 on: April 09, 2009, 09:19:10 AM »
Ross,

Here is a link to my earlier non-contest exercise. It is a smaller and more manageable file.

http://golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,36362.0.html

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Ian_L

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #196 on: April 09, 2009, 12:44:58 PM »
I do want to get more input on what the contest should become and if we should try to get it a bit more 'established' (whatever that may mean to you).

??


Also, should it be (as the present one was):


18 holes

Yes,  for the same reasons as Steve.


large tract of land

I think this works best for us amateurs, so we don't get too many dangerous situations and have more options to use the "natural holes" we find.  Maybe a smaller site in the future?


conducted via sketchup

I still sketchup the best.  Maybe a short tutorial showing how you could draw holes on paper and scan them into sketchup for those who prefer that method?  (is that feasible?)


Or should those things change? Some possibilities are (this list is certainly not exhaustive, this is where I want as much input as possible):



Fewer holes

I wouldn't say in general, but maybe for a "specialty project" down the road (like remodeling #'s 10 and 11 at Stanford).


design in the style of an architect

I think this would be extremely difficult for people like me who have only seen one or two courses at most designed by major architects.


"problem" solving (e.g. a difficult stretch of land which must contain 2 or 3 holes to connect different parts of the course)

That sounds very cool, as long as it doesn't get too goofy.  Also, I would hope this wouldn't lead to too much implied earthmoving.


take on a classic (with or without knowing its identity?)

Would be an interesting idea, although I'm sure quite a few would recognize the course, which would probably make it much harder for them. ;)


Design teams (to take the pressure of everyone needing to learn the software)

How would the logistics work on this?  It would be difficult not being able to talk directly with your partner.  I suppose you could have a designer and a shaper?


Conducted using only topographic contour maps (no sketchup)

Nahhh


The list could go on, but I'd like the input of anyone and everyone willing to give it.

Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #197 on: April 30, 2009, 12:15:40 PM »
Just a quick followup to let the contestants know that I've not forgotten about the "prizes". I am still working on the cards/logos. In fact Here are 3 more (I've already shown winner Andrew Gray's card):

You know who you are.



















I'm working on all of them. Once they're all done, I'll take them to the printer and then mail them out. Andrew's will be the only one signed by the judges. Oh, I'll also post the rest of the contestants here once I've finished them.
« Last Edit: April 30, 2009, 12:34:04 PM by Charlie Goerges »
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Garland Bayley

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #198 on: April 30, 2009, 12:19:52 PM »
Charlie,

It's Bighorn Cliffs, not Bighorn Ranch.
"I enjoy a course where the challenges are contained WITHIN it, and recovery is part of the game  not a course where the challenge is to stay ON it." Jeff Warne

Charlie Goerges

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Re: The Armchair Architecture Contest...Final Wrap-Up and Feedback
« Reply #199 on: April 30, 2009, 12:21:46 PM »
Doh! I'll fix and repost. Sorry about that.
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