"Now let's get back to PV.
What were the exact words Carr used and what were the dates he used them.
You're the self proclaimed historical expert on PV, surely, you know the answer to both questions."
Pat:
Of course I know the answers to both questions---eg the exact words Carr and Smith used and the dates Smith put on some of his hole by hole remembrances (the hole remembrances THAT WERE DATED were all before Crump died).
But as of about yesterday and your recent posts I doubt I will ever quote that material on here certainly not without a green light from Pine Valley or Merion or any other club from which I might have their private information which has never been put into the public domain. I'm even beginning to regret just DESCRIBING what my own feelings are about what I've read from it over the last decade or so!
First we had MacWood and Moriarty telling us we were being unfair and defensive and trying to hide something (MacWood's preposterous and constant mention of his label, this "Philadelphia Syndrome" bullshit) and now you telling me I'm childish or defensive or both I and the club must have something to hide??
And then all three of you have the arrogance or lack of common sense to demand that you deserve to have US put it on here anyway, and particularly after the uninformed, nonsensical revisionism you all put on here about YOUR OPINIONS of the way things were at these clubs and courses and with these architects?
I just don't get it and either did Wayne. We had hoped that most on here would understand our positions and the clubs' positions, and hopefully most did but you three certainly don't seem to.
You will now though after the posts you've put on here in the last day or so. If you want that actual information from Pine Valley or if MacWood or Moriarty want it from Merion and MCC, you all can just express your purpose to those clubs and ask them if they would let you see it as we did with them and they did with us. They do read the things you say on here though, as we do, and as far as them agreeing to have much to do with any of you, well, let me put it this way, I'm sure not going to hold my breath and I would suggest neither of you three do either.
For me, I'm not even going to discuss the history and architectural evolution of these clubs with you anymore, and I probably shouldn't have even bothered to do it in the first place.
It's over.