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JMEvensky

Re: Stanford $8 Billion Dollar Ponzi Scheme and Golf Ties
« Reply #25 on: February 24, 2009, 02:16:39 PM »


More offline if needed, but the basic concept moving forward is I would never be an equity member at a big number in any club for the near future.

Mr. Sweeney,could you expound on that a little?

Are you saying that you believe member-owned clubs will fair worse going forward?Peter Wagner made the same kind of comment a few weeks ago talking about possibly buying several struggling clubs.

The reason I ask is that I've always believed that member-owned equity clubs represented the "safest" kind of club simply because extraordinary expenses could be more easily shared.

Brent Hutto

Re: Stanford $8 Billion Dollar Ponzi Scheme and Golf Ties
« Reply #26 on: February 24, 2009, 02:34:34 PM »
The reason I ask is that I've always believed that member-owned equity clubs represented the "safest" kind of club simply because extraordinary expenses could be more easily shared.

Perhaps the fact that extraordinary expenses are shared might be construed as a reason to stay away from such arrangements in an era where everything seems to be "extraordinary" or at least "extraordinarily expensive"...

Personally, I don't have enough money to move in these kinds of circles but I would be leery of taking on any financial obligations not necessary to my daily life at this juncture.

JMEvensky

Re: Stanford $8 Billion Dollar Ponzi Scheme and Golf Ties
« Reply #27 on: February 24, 2009, 02:51:34 PM »
The reason I ask is that I've always believed that member-owned equity clubs represented the "safest" kind of club simply because extraordinary expenses could be more easily shared.

Perhaps the fact that extraordinary expenses are shared might be construed as a reason to stay away from such arrangements in an era where everything seems to be "extraordinary" or at least "extraordinarily expensive"...

Personally, I don't have enough money to move in these kinds of circles but I would be leery of taking on any financial obligations not necessary to my daily life at this juncture.

I understand your point.I guess the distinction I would make is that a member-owned club, with some historical track record,would seem to be the safest bet these days.

I certainly agree that joining any type of club today requires a lot of due diligence.Just seems that,all other things being equal,I'd feel more comfortable sharing pain(and expenses) with several hundred of my closest friends.


Bruce Katona

Re: Stanford $8 Billion Dollar Ponzi Scheme and Golf Ties
« Reply #28 on: February 24, 2009, 03:06:15 PM »
I think I've type this before, but golf is an inexpensive medium for individuals to enter the world of sports ownership......partnership ineterests in owning a golf facility are much less expensive thsn owning even a minor league sports franchise.
"If my words did glow with the gold of sunshine
And my tunes were played on the harp unstrung
Would you hear my voice come through the music
Would you hold it near as it were your own....."
Robert Hunter, Jerome Garcia

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