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Paul_Turner

Tandridge Golf Club (Old Photos)
« on: May 31, 2002, 05:12:07 PM »
I've been researching courses built by Colt, Alison and Morrison and was drawn to Tandridge a little known (to me anyway) Surrey course near London.  The main reason being that Colt's biography claimed it once had 300 bunkers which is far more than any other of his courses!  

I found an old Bernard Darwin club booklet on the course and the pictures below are from that booklet.  He was clearly a fan of the course and from his account plus the images I think there are some dramatic holes there, particularly on the back 9 (the front 9 is somewhat flatter and might suffer a little in comparison).  Darwin also writes about how bold the bunkering is and I think this is clear in some of the photos!

I also found a newer club history book and I think it's a case of too many trees now.  Also a lot of bunkers have been filled in and reduced in size, a pity as they look great to my eye.   A course ripe for a restoration?


A bit reminiscent of Kawana?


Big view of the North Downs


A Tandridge pit


Nice green!





Bold bunkers
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Ran Morrissett

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Re: Tandridge Golf Club (Old Photos)
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2002, 05:40:54 PM »
Paul,

You are THE MAN - how you find these gems is awesome! Broadstone is still at the top of the my list when next around London.

I wonder what Tandridge plays like today? Without the bold bunkering adding strategic and visual interest, I wonder if one would complain of hilliness? The back nine looks hillier than any other course in England that I can recall.

With 300 bunkers, hilly terrain and large mature trees (as best seen in the 1st pic), the building of it must have been some undertaking (and probably a fairly expensive as well).

Cheers,
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Donnie Beck

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Re: Tandridge Golf Club (Old Photos)
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2002, 05:55:23 PM »
WOW,  Thanks for the great pics..
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Paul_Turner

Re: Tandridge Golf Club (Old Photos)
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2002, 08:00:49 PM »
Ran, Donnie

I really pleased you like them  :D

Tandridge is certainly much less well known than Broadstone, which I'd known about for many years but didn't appreciate how good those exposed heath holes are until I saw the photos.

Tandridge does look to be on the hilly/sporty side on the back 9.  Possibly too much for some?  The new club history book has a modern aerial compared with an older one.  I could see that most of the bunkers have shrunk and often if hole had a a cluster of several bunkers then only one or two would remain, but the strategy would be similar.  Take the top photo of the 14th as an example, the bottom 4 greenside bunkers are now only 2 and there are no top greenside bunkers.

I guess the bunkers just became too costly to maintain?  And I suspect that the flatter holes might suffer the most from losing the visual appeal of the bunkers.  British clubs tend not to change courses much unless it saves money (apart from sometimes planting too many trees).  So they typically don't ask for much major redesign work.  But if a course costs a lot to maintain it's likely to lose some of its original quality too, through bunker filling...  I think it's somewhat different in America, for the top private clubs (maintenance cost isn't an issue, but major redesign and fiddling with the original design is).

These are certainly the boldest bunkers I've seen Colt et al build on non-heathland terrain.

Whether the course merits a visit for the discerning, traveling architecture addict from America , I don't know (given the strength of the Surrey courses); I just haven't seen enough photos of holes.  

But I'm glad I know it exists, even just for those few holes and their historic value.


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ian

Re: Tandridge Golf Club (Old Photos)
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2002, 09:38:16 PM »
Great photos, very interesting bunkering. Where do you get your photos Paul?
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ian

Re: Tandridge Golf Club (Old Photos)
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2002, 09:40:41 PM »
Ignore the above proof of my stupidity. I re-read the post and felt like an idiot. Is the booklet yours, or the clubs?
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Paul_Turner

Re: Tandridge Golf Club (Old Photos)
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2002, 09:50:05 PM »
Ian

You were on the right track with your first post!  I'm lucky to live so close to the USGA Library at Far Hills, NJ.  They have an incredible collection of course histories and have been very open with access to these. I scanned these photos there.

It's really fine aspect about some American institutions, I doubt I could do the same at the R&A.  Same with the US universities too (good luck trying to get into Balliol Library in Oxford!)
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Tom MacWood (Guest)

Re: Tandridge Golf Club (Old Photos)
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2002, 08:40:10 AM »
Paul
When were these photos taken - pre 300 bunkers or post? The 13th green looks like something that might make MacKenzie blush.
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Paul Turner

Re: Tandridge Golf Club (Old Photos)
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2002, 01:46:57 PM »
Tom

The course was built on 1925 and Darwin's book was published in the 30s, so I'm pretty sure that the photos are taken when the course had its full quota of bunkers.

The "old" aerial I mention above was from the 60s (far fewer trees too).  It wasn't of the whole course but I think the bunkers looked relatively intact then compared with the new aerial which I think was from the 90s.

300 bunkers is quite difficult to visualise!  Even courses like Lytham and Oakmont peaked at about 200.

I found a poor photo on the web that looks to be taken from a similar position as the final old photo.  The bunker sand is no longer flashed up as in the old photo  :-[  Plus the trees
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