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Matt Waterbury

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Re: Black Day at Black Rock
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2009, 01:49:58 PM »
As someone who lives at the "other" Black Rock (in Hingham), this was an alarming subject line!

My wife and I looked at the Black Rock in Idaho. I am not surprised by their troubles. As many have mentioned, this is a project that started out too grand in scale and expense. It is certainly a beautiful part of the world, but trying to attract out of state folks to by multi-million dollar homes is a tough sell. Yellowstone experienced this, and though Rock Creek might have sounder (current) finances, it is the same model.

These are new times.

mjw

Tommy Williamsen

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Re: Black Day at Black Rock
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2009, 04:36:40 PM »
Does anyone know if Black Rock fully closes down in the winter?  I was there two years ago and thought that the golf season must be very short. This can't be good news for Gozzer Ranch and the Idaho Club.   At least Colorado places like Red Sky Ranch, Roaring Fork, Maroon Creek and others offer skiing nearby and are open year 'round.
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brad_miller

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Re: Black Day at Black Rock
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2009, 04:58:11 PM »
I think posting that "you heard" such and such club is going Chapter 11 is irresponsible. If it is a FACT and has become public record that is a different story. I believe that this post is not correct and should be taken down.

These are difficult times and there will be many clubs that struggle and more than a few that don't make it, lets just wait till it is in the public domain before commenting. Or if we must talk in more general terms.

cary lichtenstein

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Re: Black Day at Black Rock
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2009, 05:04:15 PM »
Cary,

I'm curious why you would consider Black Rock to be "very very remote".  Your only 45 minutes from a middle tier city in Spokane and its international airport and only 15 minutes from Couer D' Alene. 

When I think remote I think Sand Hills or Ballyneal which is hours and hours away from anything.

I took my post down as I just heard that this story is NOT TRUE.

Cary
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Kalen Braley

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Re: Black Day at Black Rock
« Reply #29 on: January 21, 2009, 05:52:03 PM »
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« Last Edit: January 21, 2009, 07:19:18 PM by Kalen Braley »

Craig Sweet

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Re: Black Day at Black Rock
« Reply #30 on: January 21, 2009, 06:02:30 PM »
This is not true? Well, I was having my doubts when I could not find anything in the local papers about it...

I learned something today...sort of related....Bill Foley, the owner of the Rock Creek Cattle Co. also owns the Whitefish Mountain Resort....formerly know as Big Mountain Ski resort.
We are no longer a country of laws.

Ben Cowan-Dewar

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Re: Black Day at Black Rock
« Reply #31 on: January 21, 2009, 06:31:39 PM »
Having spoken to Jim Engh (who I understood spoke to the owner), I was informed that this post is factually inaccurate. We look forward to welcoming a representative of Black Rock, so that they may clear the air.

Posts based on rumour - especially those of the demise of any project - are the most regrettable kind. 

Kyle Capps

Re: Black Day at Black Rock
« Reply #32 on: January 21, 2009, 06:46:34 PM »
Thanks Ben for getting me on when the online registration wouldn't.

My name is Kyle Capps, and I am a VP for Black Rock Development and have been with Black Rock since inception of the first course in 2000.  The statement made in the discussion group that Black Rock has filed chapter 11 bankruptcy is false and defamatory.  A chapter 11 bankruptcy has not been filed.  The owner is very concerned about the statements made in the discussion group as such false statements can lead to serious financial harm.  The owner requests that the members cease making false statements regarding Black Rock immediately.

Thank you also to the members who questioned the validity of this rumor and sought out proof.  Bankruptcies are public record and can be found listed on the State of Idaho website.


Jonathan Cummings

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Re: Black Day at Black Rock
« Reply #33 on: January 21, 2009, 07:36:20 PM »
Ben - please contact me about this.  JC

bakerg

Re: Black Day at Black Rock
« Reply #34 on: April 11, 2009, 06:24:16 PM »

http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2009/apr/03/black-rock-north-faces-foreclosure/


Bankers have filed a $14.6 million foreclosure action against one of developer Marshall Chesrown’s ambitious and upscale projects overlooking Lake Coeur d’Alene.

The complaint filed by American Bank, based in Bozeman, Mont., centers on Black Rock North, a 1,100-acre tract that Chesrown and his investment companies envisioned as an extension of the original Black Rock luxury golf club at Rockford Bay.

Though construction crews built the second golf course, the demand for luxury homes to pay for the project has collapsed. No homes or lots have been sold and the Black Rock North Development group has defaulted. The plans included 206 homes and 325 condo units overlooking the lake.

The development company hasn’t made a payment this year and efforts to reach a loan restructuring agreement with American Bank have so far failed, said Chesrown’s lawyer, Barry Davidson, a Spokane attorney specializing in bankruptcy, receiverships and business restructurings.

Davidson emphasized that Black Rock North is separate from the adjoining Club at Black Rock, the area’s first exclusive waterfront golf retreat.

Davidson declined to answer whether he was representing Chesrown in other matters. He said, however, that Chesrown is not contemplating filing for bankruptcy protection from lenders and a collection of 11 construction and property development companies that have placed liens totaling about $3.57 million against Black Rock North Development.

Messages left seeking comment from Chesrown were returned by Davidson.

Besides Chesrown, other Black Rock North business partners include Lake View AG, a company from the tiny European country of Liechtenstein. Two other investors made $5 million loans to the development, including Chicago resident Robert Levin, acting as trustee for the Roland M. Casati Trust, and Ryker Young, of Fort Gibson, Okla.

The foreclosure action is the latest sign of trouble with North Idaho’s high-end real estate market.

“The sale of secondary properties and homes is very, very slow,” Davidson said. “Black Rock North was a project that is well-conceived, but like many other high-end projects, the national recession has severely affected it.”

Chesrown also controls the company developing Kendall Yards, a housing and retail project near downtown Spokane. That plan calls for transforming 78 acres along the north bank of the Spokane River into a residential and commercial neighborhood.

American Bank’s foreclosure action, filed April 1 in Kootenai County 1st District Court, asked that the Black Rock North property be sold at a sheriff’s auction to repay the $14.6 million loan, along with about $400,000 in accrued interest, late charges and legal fees.

The bank’s foreclosure action stated that Chesrown agreed to a guaranty for the mortgage, a promise made in February 2007 that he would be responsible for debts or defaults.

The foreclosure also asserts the bank’s position that it must be repaid first, leaving construction and services companies, along with the Casati Trust and Young, in a diminished position to collect money owed.

The bank has hired local attorneys Nancy Isserlis and Elizabeth Tellessen to press its foreclosure.

The liens include Idaho Roofing Specialists, $15,059; Thorco Inc., $116,765; Consolidated Supply Co., $6,335; Interstate Concrete and Asphalt Co., $133,776, and $79,063; Concrete Finishing Inc., $219,190; The Turf Corp., $6,553, and $95,584; Wadsworth Golf Construction Co. of the Southwest, $2.34 million; Polin & Young Construction Inc., $224,417; Taylor Engineering Inc., $148,433; Precision Irrigation Inc., $187,844; and Spokane Wilbert Precast, $3,837.

cary lichtenstein

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Re: Black Day at Black Rock
« Reply #35 on: April 11, 2009, 08:55:19 PM »
Is the course open? Who was the architect?  Is this the same owner as Black Rock?
Live Jupiter, Fl, was  4 handicap, played top 100 US, top 75 World. Great memories, no longer play, 4 back surgeries. I don't miss a lot of things about golf, life is simpler with out it. I miss my 60 degree wedge shots, don't miss nasty weather, icing, back spasms. Last course I played was Augusta

Joel_Stewart

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Re: Black Day at Black Rock
« Reply #36 on: April 11, 2009, 09:02:49 PM »
Whoever the architect is they recieved payment up front.  Interesting Wadsworth is out $2.3 million  and the irrigation company almost $300k.

Brad Klein

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Re: Black Day at Black Rock
« Reply #37 on: April 11, 2009, 09:16:57 PM »
Ben,

if the post is factually inaccurate, why wait for a representative from Black Rock? You should simply remove this thread asap. To keep it up is irresponsible. No wonder people think that journalism suffers when the new media take over.