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Doug Wright

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Kenny Venturi
« on: May 29, 2002, 08:57:21 AM »
I know we've discussed him before, but Kenny Venturi has played a big role in many of our golfing lives over the past 35 years. Unless he pulls a Keith Jackson, he's retiring after this week's Kemper Open. The tears are sure to flow on Sunday afternoon, and not just from the happy winner ofr the disappointed second place finisher!  Now, I realize that Kenny's not the brightest bulb on the string but his passion and enjoyment for what he does, not to mention the occasional malapropism, has made tuning in every week a pleasure. I came across the following familiar Kennyisms in a  Golf Digest.com article, and thought I'd share them with you. I'm sure you all have memories of Kenny, and other Kennyisms not mentioned below. Feel free to add them on this thread.

"Just take your par and walk quietly" (probably his signature saying).
"Bring it in a little left to right" ("right to left" less frequently, favoring faded approaches).
"Don't give the hole away."
"Take the water out of play."
"You can't win the tournament on Thursday, but you can sure lose it."
"I like/don't like that choice."
"I call that the daylight stoke. Take the putter back and as soon as you see daylight, hit it."
"I don't believe you'll see this one to the right/left of the flag." But if you ever did, it was "a mental error."
"You'll never know how good that was."
"He was gonna make no worse than 5, but now he's brought 6 or 7 into the equation."
"Ho-down!" (to balls running hot past the hole).
"If he'd a hit it, he'd a made it."
"You couldn't walk it out there and place it any better than that."
"It's always amazing to me how this many people can all of a sudden be so quiet."
"I call that talent."
"I guarantee the win means a lot more to him than the money."
"I tip my cap to him."
 
And we do.

All The Best,


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Bruceski

Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2002, 09:28:20 AM »
"I call that an all-around good putt." (after ball "toilet bowls" into cup)

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Dan Kelly

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Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2002, 09:29:29 AM »
They missed the ultimate Kennyism:

"You could take your whole practice bag and not hit a better shot than that."
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2002, 09:30:23 AM »
When a player can two-putt to win:

"I guarantee you it won't be moving fast when it gets near that hole."
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2002, 09:31:52 AM »
"You know when they lean down to pick up their tee like that, it's a good tee shot."
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2002, 09:41:00 AM »
If they took all the Kennyisms out of golf broadcasting, what would we have left?  "jolly good show old chap" ::)

Feherty has the best chance at coming up with something fresh, I think.  Like; "that put fell drunken into the hole".
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JohnV

Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2002, 10:51:46 AM »
My favorite memory was when a player left a putt way short and Ken said, "The worst words in golf, 'You're still away'".

Feherty then said, "No the worst words in golf are 'I'll finish, I'll finish, I'll mark'". ;D
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CHrisB

Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2002, 12:15:42 PM »
My favorite Kennyism, the one my buddies and I still use on the course, when a ball is flirting with danger (or even when it isn't)..."Look out!" :o
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Jamie_Duffner

Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2002, 12:43:40 PM »
"Look Out!!"

How could Golf Digest forget that one?

Doug - thanks for the post.  I for one will miss Venturi.  I've always enjoyed his commentary, even when it was long winded!  He is a true gentleman and a good sportsman.  He was the victim of a very favorable ruling for Arnie at the 60 (I think) Masters, where he otherwise would have won. I think not winning the Masters has been a void in his life.

Now we get Jim Nantz!  I've soured a bit on Nantz due to his over the top Tiger worship and flowery speech, particularly at the Masters, but at least Feherty balances it out.
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Bill_Ryzewski

Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2002, 01:05:10 PM »
"Now watch it take the slope...watch out!"

refering to nearly every 2nd shot to the 13th @ Augusta when the pin is front right. Followed by:

"It doesn't break from there"

Good Luck Kenny! ;D
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Will E

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Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2002, 05:16:15 PM »
my warped mind will remember my two favorite Venturi lines as-

"don't you know who I am?"
and
"I know the sheriff, I'll take care of this myself."

on tv
"game over" right before Furyk holes out of the bunker to force the playoff with Woods.

I usually turn off the volume when watching golf.
Venturi was very amusing, while out of touch with todays players , his voice was soothing and his golf knowledge evident. His US Open win is nothing short of spectacular. I will miss him on TV. Can we bring back Ben Wright?

my favorite Ferherty line- after watching Tiger pull of an impossible lob shot, "does anybody know a hard game?"
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Robert_Walker

Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2002, 08:21:40 PM »
"When a player picks up his tee and starts walking, you know he hit last."

"My God.... I've won the LA Open presented by Nissan"

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Andrew Presnell

Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2002, 03:23:27 AM »
Fantastic stuff.

From an Aussie I can say that all my mates at work love Kenny's comments (particularly at Augusta) and it will be a sad day when he hangs up the boots.

Our personal favourites:

"Mental error, mental error!!"

"I tell you Jimmy if you hit it at the stick with your second shot on Sunday at 11 either you hit a 30 yard pull or you're not very smart".

"That player X has apparently added an extra 20 yards to his drives - the only way I find extra distance these days is to hit the ball and run 20 yards backwards..."

One of the greats indeed.
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Doug Wright

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Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2002, 01:05:23 PM »
Here's more on Kenny from ESPN.com. Note that in his retirement he plans to "build a few golf courses." What will they be like? Congressional?

"DUBLIN, Ohio -- Ken Venturi has uttered millions of words during his 35 years as a golf analyst for CBS. But as his final telecast nears, he best remembers a moment when he was left speechless.
  
Venturi's career included captaining Presidents Cup team, where he met with President Clinton and Peter Thomson.

A year ago at the International, Venturi watched as winner Tom Pernice Jr. scooped up his 6-year-old daughter, Brooke, behind the 18th green. A genetic disease had left Brooke blind since birth. In the midst of the celebration, Brooke's hands probed her father's face to feel his smile.

"I couldn't talk,'' Venturi said Thursday, his voice choking. "That's one of the things I'll remember in all my years in television.''

Such emotion was a constant companion for Venturi, who will be up in the tower for the last time next week at the Kemper Open.

He had been moved to tears as a player, breaking down on the 72nd green after winning the 1964 U.S. Open at Congressional.

"I cry at groundbreakings,'' Venturi said with a laugh.

It was Venturi's willingness to display his emotions that caught the attention of CBS producer Frank Chirkinian. Venturi won 14 tour events and had 77 top-10 finishes during his career, but was losing the feeling in his hands because of a neurological disorder.

Chirkinian hired Venturi as CBS' color analyst for golf in 1968, offering a simple piece of advice: "Remember, it's not what you say, it's what you don't say. This is television.''

So Venturi learned to stay in the background and allow the pictures of Brooke Pernice tell their own heart-wrenching story, just as he did when Jack Nicklaus made his final-round charge to win the 1986 Masters or when Larry Mize chipped in to beat Greg Norman in a playoff a year later at Augusta.

As a premier player himself, Venturi was able to offer insight into what the players were going through and what they were thinking -- without stating the obvious or resorting to maudlin sentiment.

"Kenny has a wonderful feel for people,'' said Jim Nantz, who has been Venturi's TV partner for the last 17 years.

Venturi turns 71 on May 15. A widower, he intends to live near his two sons and his grandkids in Palm Springs. He says he will have no difficulty loosening his grip on the game.

"I'm not going to sit in a chair,'' Venturi said. He'll build a few golf courses, do charity work and visit friends he hasn't seen for years.

He carefully planned his schedule this year so he could visit some of his favorite people and places: Arnold Palmer at Bay Hill, Byron Nelson at Las Colinas, Nicklaus at this week's Memorial, Augusta National and, finally, the Kemper, not far from the site of his U.S. Open victory.

His legacy is that he wasn't a shill. He second-guessed Curtis Strange going for the green in two at the par-5 13th with a two-shot lead at the 1985 Masters. Venturi called it a bad decision before Strange hit it into the water during a last-day meltdown that cost him the tournament.

Strange and Venturi had an icy relationship for a long time but the years have softened both. Strange, now an analyst himself, recognizes Venturi's impact.

"From a TV standpoint it's been great for viewers -- myself included -- that the game had a voice that was very consistent over the years,'' Strange said. "I remember as a kid when Pat Summerall and Ken Venturi were doing a tournament, I always thought, 'This must be a good tournament.'''

Always, Venturi said, he tried to be fair.

"My bottom line is I treat every player the way I would like him to treat me if I was out there,'' Venturi said.

With Venturi behind the microphone, analysis of golf didn't just revolve around whether Tiger Woods was hitting a 4 iron or a 3 iron off the tee.

What was the player feeling? What are his options? What risks are there?

"He tells you not only what is going on in their head but also their heart,'' Nantz said.

Venturi grew up with a stammer so bad that his mother didn't think he would ever be able to properly pronounce his name. When he won the Open, he was broke and just about ready to return to San Francisco to sell cars.

Now, his tenure ranks as the longest ever by a sports analyst.

"If I had to choose to be anyone in the world, I'd choose to be me,'' Venturi said."
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Bruceski

Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2002, 03:19:12 PM »
Well, that article did it. I'm a convert. I now like the guy. I witnessed the Pernice interaction with his daughter, too. And it WAS an undeniably special moment in TV golf history.
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Justin_Zook

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Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2002, 06:18:06 PM »
I've been a little harsh with a few things I've said in the past, but these comments are certainly a fun thing to read.  It makes me laugh.  They are some classics.  I must agree my favorite is "look out!"  Anyway, yeah, it will be to a degree sad to see him go for sentimentalities sake, but all good things must come to an end I suppose.  While I don't agree with some of his philosophies on architecture, it certainly was fun hearing the array of things he said.  

To Ken!  Cheers!


Justin Zook
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Chuck

Re: Kenny Venturi as an Army private
« Reply #16 on: May 31, 2002, 05:49:10 AM »
Here's my favorite Ken story:

He scored the course record at Del Monte on a day he was supposed to be at work -- he was a private at Fort Ord:

http://www.golfcalifornia.com/monte.htm

MONTEREY, CA -- In 1954 a young soldier from nearby Fort Ord shot the course record at the Del Monte Golf Course, the oldest course in continuous operation west of the Mississippi River. His name is Ken Venturi and his 62 stood alone until Todd Gjesvold equaled it in 1996.

"I recently talked to Mr. Venturi and he told me after he shot the 62 he came in the pro shop and asked them not to post the record -- he was reasoning some of his superiors back at Fort Ord might think he was playing too much golf or playing when he should be on duty," said PGA pro Chuck Dunbar.

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TEPaul

Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #17 on: June 02, 2002, 04:27:32 PM »
I don't care how much he botched the English language or how many cliches he repeated--I sure will miss Ken Venturi!
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Bill_McBride

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Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #18 on: June 02, 2002, 05:33:20 PM »
Whenever I set up to a shot to a sucker pin and plan to keep it way right or left, I remember Kenny saying, "If he hits it left of the pin, he's missed the shot badly."  There appeared to be a lot of truly genuine affection for him demonstrated by the pros as they were completing play at the Kemper.  Norman threw a ball at the booth; hopefully nobody got hurt!
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Brad Klein

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Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #19 on: June 02, 2002, 05:51:12 PM »
Yawn.

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SGD

Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #20 on: June 02, 2002, 09:20:44 PM »
Brad Klein's immediate previous post is pathetic.  Give Mr. Venturi the respect he deserves or kindly refrain from saying anything at all.  Simple decency is more important than any subject that's ever been discussed on this website.
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Gib_Papazian

Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2002, 12:23:17 AM »
We have been down this road before, but my opinion has not changed.

Venturi is my favorite. Ever. I'm too old to like anybody better in the coming years.

Not because he is the best - maybe Peter Allis or Oosterhuis wins that award.

But because the sound of his voice brings great comfort to me and his patter is endearing and he is a nice man in a media full of assholes and self-absorbed prima donnas.

His departure is just another sign that we are all getting older and that change is inevitable. It won't really hit me how much I miss him until next April because hearing him call the back nine on Sunday is as much a part of the Masters to me as the tournament itself.

I hate change and do not like the little rituals of life disturbed.

Hearing Ken Venturi is one of those rituals and although I can understand a guy like Brad Klein being bored with the repetition of his little pet phrases, where people are concerned, I am ruled by visceral emotion and not cold objectivity.

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Paul Richards

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Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2002, 04:34:09 AM »
Mr. Venturi was pretty broken up at the end of the telecast.

I guess moving on after 35 is pretty tough.

Thanks.

I wish you the best!
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Dave_Miller

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Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2002, 06:36:57 AM »
Ken Venturi will be sorely missed.  The telecast last night brought a lump to my throat.  It will be very strange not to hear all the Kennyisms after so many years.
When playing the California Club in San Francisco it was a thrill to see his open trophy on display.
Good Luck to Ken and may he have only eagles and birdies the rest of his days.
Dave Miller
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Dan Kelly

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Re: Kenny Venturi
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2002, 09:53:10 AM »
Gib --

You write: "The sound of his voice brings great comfort to me and his patter is endearing and he is a nice man in a media full of assholes and self-absorbed prima donnas."

Present company excepted, of course!  ::)

How's this week's column coming along?  ;D

As I said on an earlier thread: I won't miss Venturi's announcing. I will miss him.

Why? Because, as you write: "I hate change and do not like the little rituals of life disturbed."

You could take your whole practice bag and not write a better sentence than that!
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