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George_Bahto

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Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« on: November 29, 2008, 01:08:59 PM »
As most of you are aware there is a followup book to The Evangelist of Golf (the Macdonald story) a book about Seth Raynor (and Charles Banks), bios, etc and all those many course reviews.

Much of this book has been written - probably 70 % - and much of the story has been edited by my fellow conspirator, Gib Papazian - the left-coaster. 

At one time all the information was to be in one book but there was too much material.

I’ll be working on the Raynor (yahoooo) over the winter months (I hope) and I’ve been looking for a good title for the book so I’m asking for help from my good friends on golfclubatlas.

Been kicking around:

Seth Raynor - The Unsung Hero ...... (used that in an article before)

I’m sure there will be some laughers but that’s OK, I’ve been wounded before.

I know we now have a lot of Raynor freak-a-zoides out there - any ideas
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Mike_Cirba

Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2008, 01:10:03 PM »
Seth Raynor - The Engineering Artist
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Phil_the_Author

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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2008, 01:12:28 PM »
Seth Raynor: The Art of the Disciple
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Mike Hendren

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2008, 01:14:59 PM »
Seth Raynor - From Engineer to Architect

Seth Raynor - Macdonald's Disciple



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Mike Hendren

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #4 on: November 29, 2008, 01:16:05 PM »
Dang Phillip, you got the drop on me.
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JNC Lyon

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2008, 01:21:10 PM »
Seth Raynor--Spreading the Gospel
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SL_Solow

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #6 on: November 29, 2008, 01:29:07 PM »
Since the book on Mac was the " Evangelist of Golf", how about a title including the word "Disciple"  e.g. the evangelist of golf's first disciple.
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Phil_the_Author

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« Reply #7 on: November 29, 2008, 01:29:38 PM »
Michael, it just proves that great minds really do think alike!  :o
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Tom Naccarato

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« Reply #8 on: November 29, 2008, 01:37:27 PM »
How about this one:

Seth Raynor: My Map To Cypress Point's routing is located in____________
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John Sheehan

Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #9 on: November 29, 2008, 01:42:12 PM »
Seth Raynor:  The Evangelist's Disciple

Seth Raynor:  The Evangelist's Apostle

Messenger of Golf:  The Story of Seth Raynor

The Apostle of Golf:  The Story of Seth Raynor

The First Apostle of Golf: Seth Raynor
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Ronald Montesano

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #10 on: November 29, 2008, 01:44:39 PM »
Raynor's Prized Doglegs
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Adam Clayman

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #11 on: November 29, 2008, 01:48:48 PM »
SR- The Juxtaposer of Golf



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Patrick Kiser

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2008, 01:58:58 PM »
Seth Raynor - The Reluctant Architect
Seth Raynor - The Reluctant Disciple
Seth Raynor - Beyond The Apprentice
Seth Raynor - Beyond The Disciple
Seth Raynor - Disciple Turned Architect
Seth Raynor - Disciple Turned Evangelist

Looking forward to this new volume George.

You guys think you can rub off some of your mojo to WM and MF so they get their book on Flynn out someday...
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jkinney

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #13 on: November 29, 2008, 02:04:52 PM »
                                   THE CREATIVE ENGINEER
                                  Seth Raynor in the birth of
                                          American Golf
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George_Bahto

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #14 on: November 29, 2008, 02:14:02 PM »
Thanks fellas - I’ve been having too much fun over the last few years to work on finishing the book but I owe to SR to get it all out there.


Naccarato: perhaps the book will include the CP map via Tony Cashmore information - hah

Cerba: about what I would expect from Philly - excluding Gil of course .... wait til you see all the non-linear/non-geometric lines

Nice titles guys - keep’em coming !!!!!!

I like the 2-book Evangelist/Apostle-Deciple-type connection
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RJ_Daley

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2008, 02:37:34 PM »
hmmm, how about; "The First Protege of Golf" or "The Protege" or "Golf's Great Protege".... something along those lines?
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Jim Thompson

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2008, 02:41:35 PM »
If you're going to do this one in a similar format , the obvious one to me is:

SR - The Deacon of Design

Others:

SR - The Honest Artist
SR - The Simple Sculptor

Just for giggles:

SR - The Cutter of the Cookies
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Joe Hancock

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2008, 02:55:35 PM »
Quote from: Jim Thompson on November 29, 2008, 02:41:35 PM
If you're going to do this one in a similar format , the obvious one to me is:

SR - The Deacon of Design

Others:

SR - The Honest Artist
SR - The Simple Sculptor

Just for giggles:

SR - The Cutter of the Cookies

JT,

You are the last person I would have expected to fall into the trap of using a hyphen in the titling attempt....not that there's anything wrong with a hyphen from time to time.

Joe
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Peter Pallotta

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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2008, 03:03:43 PM »
Seth Raynor - The Master Apprentice

(note - NOT the Master's Apprentice, i.e. no apostrophe s - that is very important)

Peter

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RJ_Daley

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2008, 03:12:06 PM »
Si, that ees quite true George.  We doan need no steenking appostletrophies, err eye meen apostrophe s or hymens...  errr eye meen hyphens. ::)
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George_Bahto

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2008, 04:37:18 PM »

Si, that ees quite true George.  We doan need no steenking appostletrophies, err eye meen apostrophe s or hymens...  errr eye meen hyphens
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   Wethered & Simpson

Rich Goodale

Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2008, 04:57:41 PM »
Peter P. was damned close:

"The Sorceror's Apprentice"
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mark chalfant

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2008, 12:07:17 AM »
George:

Inspired Acres:  The Brilliant Golf courses of Seth Raynor


From Peconic Bay to Lake Michigan:  The Elegant Designs of Seth  Raynor
« Last Edit: November 30, 2008, 12:24:14 AM by mark chalfant »
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Mike_Cirba

Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2008, 12:14:16 AM »
I guess I'd ask about the need to tie Raynor so directly to Macdonald in the title?

Raynor did far more work on his own than he ever did with Charlie, and although I know my friend George is sensitive to the implied geometrics in my "Engineering" title, it was meant out of pure respect and admiration for the fact that Raynor was able to make those template holes work everywhere from the mountains of northern GA, to the lowlands of SC, to the rugged rocky terrain of lower CT, to the canelands of HI.   

Thus, the seeming incongruity but very historical reality of the proposed "Engineering Artist". 
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Jim Nugent

Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2008, 12:23:24 AM »
George, who is your market for this book?  People who know who Seth Raynor is?  Golf course architecture junkies?  Something else?

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