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George_Bahto

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Re: Seth Raynor Book Title - HELP Needed
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2008, 01:01:36 AM »
Jim aside from the usual fools like us ........ ;D

I think this book will sell a lot more than the Macdonald book mainly because there will be so many more course reviews in the book than the other book.

Most clubs do not carry The Evangelist of Golf book in the pro shops, I think, because their course was not in the book.

The main object of all this has always been, starting from the beginning of this project, was to tell the Raynor story. When I first started hardly anyone even knew who he was.

I had never heard of him and I had been playing Banks courses for 40 years.  The lack of information about Raynor really intrigued me.
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Jim Thompson

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« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2008, 01:19:48 AM »
George,

Sounds like you've just answered your own question.

The Missing the Link(s)

or

The Unknown Story

or

The Untold Story

Cheers!

JT
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Lloyd_Cole

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« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2008, 02:59:19 AM »
I'd want the word 'engineer' in the title if it were my book.
The Captain works pretty well I think.
I'd go for
The Engineer
The life and golf courses of Seth Raynor

Then I'd change my mind and I'd fill a whole note book with ideas.
Then I'd go back to the first idea (based on real life experience in the naming game).
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Joe Hancock

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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2008, 05:55:51 AM »
Seth Raynor

Engineer turned Golf Course Architect

This changes everything (literally!)
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Mike Sweeney

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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2008, 07:17:22 AM »
A little play on Pete Dye's book.

"They Buried The First Apostle of Golf in a Square Bunker: The Life and Courses of Seth Raynor"
« Last Edit: November 30, 2008, 07:19:36 AM by Mike Sweeney »
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Mike Hendren

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« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2008, 11:32:51 AM »
Seth Raynor - The Dork From New York
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Patrick_Mucci

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« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2008, 11:39:29 AM »
George,

I haven't come up with a title yet, but, reference should probably be made to the chronological path he traveled.

Engineer, Surveyor, Architect.
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Jim_Kennedy

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« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2008, 12:02:20 PM »
                                                  Seth Raynor
                                          The Accidental Purist
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Adam Clayman

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« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2008, 12:34:05 PM »
Raynor Shines; Golf's Engineering Marvel
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Tim Bert

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« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2008, 12:41:29 PM »
I like it simple.

The Disciple or The Engineer without all the other words thrown in there. You can use a subtitle for that.
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George_Bahto

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« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2008, 01:02:33 PM »
you guys are great - keep it up

Dork from New York is good, Mike

or

Square Bunkers Rule - the Works of Seth Raynor - (my own fave  ???  :'()

Adam, yours is close and could be:  Rain-or Shine   :P


Joe Hancock, I like yours

Jim Thompson - couple of real good ones in your post

I like a lot of the earlier ones linking the Disciple & Apostle words to the Evangelist book - seems a nice link of the two books



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Peter Pallotta

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« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2008, 02:21:24 PM »
Since George has lots of good ones to pick from already, and with a nod to Jim Kennedy:

Seth Raynor - The Accidental Purist
An Extended Meditation on the Art and Craft and Manufactured Design in an Age of Naturalism and The Era of Conceit
or
How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Template
« Last Edit: November 30, 2008, 02:23:21 PM by Peter Pallotta »
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George_Bahto

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« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2008, 03:01:18 PM »
Peter:

I Love The Template ...........  could win this - good going

maybe I can find a picture of SR sitting at a drafting table drawing holes  hinged plastic templates in hand - template hinged at 250-yd turning points
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john_stiles

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« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2008, 03:28:55 PM »

Biarritz to Redan


(the word biarritz has always caught my eye)
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Bob_Huntley

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« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2008, 04:01:31 PM »
The Quiet Man, with a suitable sub-title.

Bob
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Chris_Clouser

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« Reply #40 on: November 30, 2008, 08:28:58 PM »
George,

Do you have a publisher lined up yet?  Anytime expected time to be released?
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George_Bahto

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« Reply #41 on: November 30, 2008, 10:42:36 PM »
Chris: no I do not have publisher yet - will be looking for one as I move forward.

Finished date?  I have no idea. There still a lot to do and I want this book to be "right" so I'll not be racing any timetable.

Lots of courses involvd in this story
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If a player insists on playing his maximum power on his tee-shot, it is not the architect's intention to allow him an overly wide target to hit to but rather should be allowed this privilege of maximum power except under conditions of exceptional skill.
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Mike_Cirba

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« Reply #42 on: November 30, 2008, 10:51:38 PM »
Seth Raynor - The Silent Surveyor

Seth Raynor lets the Templates do the Talkin'

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Mike_Cirba

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« Reply #43 on: November 30, 2008, 10:54:07 PM »
Silent Seth - The Boldest Engineer
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JimFatsi

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« Reply #44 on: November 30, 2008, 11:12:24 PM »
"The Marvel that is Seth Raynor: Golf Course Architect"
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Mike_Cirba

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« Reply #45 on: November 30, 2008, 11:13:37 PM »
Seth Raynor - Macdonald's other male companion (who wasn't a Toady like Whigham)  ;) 
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Scott Stambaugh

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« Reply #46 on: November 30, 2008, 11:15:31 PM »
Quote from: mark chalfant on November 30, 2008, 12:07:17 AM
George:

Inspired Acres:  The Brilliant Golf courses of Seth Raynor


From Peconic Bay to Lake Michigan:  The Elegant Designs of Seth  Raynor


How about his work out here along the Pacific Ocean?

Title? Seth Raynor Squared.

But, written with the letters 'S' and 'R' as a club might have as its logo, followed by a small number '2'


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Rob Rigg

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« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2008, 12:11:14 AM »
Seth Raynor - Nerds can build kick ass golf courses too

Seth Raynor - The Genius Apostle (or the Genius Disciple)

Seth Raynor - When in doubt, build a template hole

Seth Raynor - Coat-tails or not, this guy was knew his SH!T

Seth Raynor - Disciple of the Biarritz
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George_Bahto

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« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2008, 12:37:17 AM »
Seth Raynor - Nerds can build kick ass golf courses too

Seth Raynor - Coat-tails or not, this guy was knew his SH!T

Rob - great - that's funny stuff
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Sean_A

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« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2008, 02:13:12 AM »
George

I don't think the title should presume too much knowledge on the reader's part.  For instance, The Disciple etc sounds very religious and for those that may not have an inkling who the the man was...  If religious words are to be used I think they should be linked somehow to golf.  Ditto for engineer or surveyor.

Ciao
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