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Robert Mercer Deruntz

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Fox Chapel Greatness (pictures to semi-prove it)
« on: November 27, 2008, 06:07:18 PM »
The greens are in the Camargo-Fishers Island category of great quality contours.  Quite simply there is a hell of a lot of cool internal slopes and humps, bumps, interesting tiers, ect.  This will not show up the pictures.  However, the awesome holes will reveal a level of greatness.
  This is the first hole appropriately named Away which features a somewhat reverse redan green.  There are a number of diabolical pin positions.  It has enough length at 418 to necessitate a good opening tee ball.


This is the Punchbowl which is 483 from the back tee and cannot be lengthened due to a main road.  I think for the accomplished player this plays as an awesome par 4.



This is Eden. And this is a pretty substantial hole at 207 yards.  The green is almost as severe as the one at Lookout Mountain, but has quite a few interesting  subtle humps and bumps.  Great bunker depth.


Continuing a challenging start is Long at 485 yards

The 5th is a really great 340 yard Cape.  There is a lot of right to left slope in the fairway.  A flat lie with a great angle is to be had close to the creek, so there is a risk reward decision to be made on the tee shot.



The 6th is a reverse Redan that is slightly uphill(so this does satisfy one extrremely exacting critic on the overuse of the redan designation!)  I think that this is among the best redans that I've played!



The 7th is a cool short hole, 295 from the tips, that is their Alps hole.  The green does not go too far behind the protective mound.



This is another very challenging hole that is named Plateau.  Though 475 from the tips, it is downhill, a very difficult fairway to hit with serious trouble on the right.



And a tough finish to the front nine at 450 uphill is Dustpan

This is a good view across the course that showing the wonderful terrain. This is the Short green which is hole 11

And for a serious finish, this is Step at 383 yards.



The 16th plays straight up hill, so it was a very long 422.  This fairway is far from flat towards the tee--super difficult to keep the ball in the fairway if the there is too much curvature on the tee ball.


And the most famous hole at Fox Chapel, playing 231 yards from the back is Biarritz






The course finishes with Glade Run, a strong par 5 of 574 yards uphill with a double plateau green in which the back plateau requires big time precision to hold.  The hole may be a 600 yarder when the pin is set in this area--the green somewhat rivals the 9th at Oakmont in size.  The stream is very well utilized as you can see in the picture.


Unfortunately, I ran out of light and did not get an even mediocre quality picture.  Hopefully, this treasure of a course will get some more worthy pictures to showcase its greatness!
 
« Last Edit: November 30, 2008, 01:10:19 AM by Robert Mercer Deruntz »

J_ Crisham

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Re: Fox Chapel Greatness (pictures to semi-prove it)
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2008, 07:45:23 PM »
Robert,   Wonderful pictures. Certainly lengthier than Shoreacres. It also has all the typical Raynor holes but... The ravines at Shoreacres are something you could not build back then. I feel that this is the defining feature that seperates the 2 courses. Don't misunderstand me, Fox Chapel is a better course than most people give it credit.Nothing wrong with being a sleepy club-hell those are the most fun to play anyways.As an aside I have a slight Chicago bias as SA is my 2nd favorite club in the area. I am interested to compare Shoreacres to Camargo(next summer). Looks like you had a very enjoyable day.   

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Fox Chapel Greatness (pictures to semi-prove it)
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2008, 01:00:37 PM »
16, as I recall, is Raynor's Prized Dogleg...anyone care to expand on what makes a hole an RPD?  Does he repeat the feature on other courses?  Gracias de antemano.
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Dean DiBerardino

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Re: Fox Chapel Greatness (pictures to semi-prove it)
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2008, 09:09:41 PM »
Robert:

I'm a big fan of Fox Chapel as well.  I haven't played Shoreacres, so I'm not able to draw any comparisons between the two.  The link below has some decent images from my visit there in the fall of 2006...

http://s268.photobucket.com/albums/jj36/no6pro/Fox%20Chapel/

The images are in reverse order.  Hope it works.

Mike_Cirba

Re: Fox Chapel Greatness (pictures to semi-prove it)
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2008, 09:21:30 PM »
Robert,

In the words of Larry David, Fox Chapel looks "pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty cool."

Thanks for the pictorial.

John Mayhugh

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Re: Fox Chapel Greatness (pictures to semi-prove it)
« Reply #5 on: November 29, 2008, 11:24:59 AM »
Robert,
Thanks for posting these.  I've always wanted to see more of Fox Chapel.  Looks like plenty of Raynor magic there.  Would love to play #6.  And a double plateau to finish.....awesome.


Joe Sponcia

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Re: Fox Chapel Greatness (pictures to semi-prove it)
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2015, 09:09:48 AM »
Dean,


Really great pictures on your photo bucket.  Thank you for sharing.  The 6th reverse redan is gorgeous.
Joe


"If the hole is well designed, a fairway can't be too wide".

- Mike Nuzzo

David Wuthrich

Re: Fox Chapel Greatness (pictures to semi-prove it)
« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2015, 07:09:14 PM »
Was excited to play there this summer.  It was one of the few left on my bucket list and it did not disappoint!!  I would drop everything and go to Pittsburgh tomorrow if invited.

Joe Bausch

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Re: Fox Chapel Greatness (pictures to semi-prove it)
« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2015, 08:03:56 PM »
There's honestly no comparison between Shoreacres and Fox Chapel. I'd choose Fox Chapel  7-3 or maybe even 8-2 over Shoreacres  over10 rounds.


Wow!  I must find a way to play FC.  I loved Shoreacres, even if I have few files to confirm the visit.   ;D
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Terry Lavin

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Re: Fox Chapel Greatness (pictures to semi-prove it)
« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2015, 06:13:26 PM »
Fox Chapel is awesome. Great templates and different conceits (the Dust Pan) on a ridiculously entertaining piece of property. I'd better get JCav there next year for a righteous photo tour.
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BHoover

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Re: Fox Chapel Greatness (pictures to semi-prove it)
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2015, 07:10:23 PM »
Fox Chapel is awesome. Great templates and different conceits (the Dust Pan) on a ridiculously entertaining piece of property. I'd better get JCav there next year for a righteous photo tour.

Another member has already done this, but I guess he didn't self-promote it as much as some others' photo tours.

http://www.golfclubatlas.com/forum/index.php/topic,50437.0.html
« Last Edit: November 04, 2015, 07:16:54 PM by Brian Hoover »

Ronald Montesano

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Re: Fox Chapel Greatness (pictures to semi-prove it)
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2015, 05:53:12 PM »
Glad you posted that, Brian.


Self-promotion is usually done well on this site, writes the great self-promoter.
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Joe Bausch

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Re: Fox Chapel Greatness (pictures to semi-prove it)
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2015, 07:31:29 PM »
Glad you posted that, Brian.

Self-promotion is usually done well on this site, writes the great self-promoter.


Self-cit.  .  .
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BHoover

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Re: Fox Chapel Greatness (pictures to semi-prove it)
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2015, 08:59:11 PM »
Glad you posted that, Brian.

No problem. You're quite welcome.