[Ken Moum]

Lloyd

I hope your game is better than your taste in booze, ‘ Whisky Mack’ indeed and 50/50, boy, do you like your drink diluted. If we ever meet I’m not sure whether to shake your hand or kiss you. Whisky Mack  – if you have just ordered that at a Scottish bar make sure that when you visit the restroom you go by yourself, you sweet boy you. Is it the new carters drink?

The secret of a Single Malt is just a dash of water (teaspoon full – no more). 

Melvyn

Geez Melvyn, I'm surprised.

I would NEVER cut my Macallan with anything. 

If that's the case, you are definitley missing out on the true flavor of the whisky.

As they say in Scotland, "NEVER drink whisky without water, and never drink water without whisky"

I've been to the Mcallan distillery, and they give you a pitcher with your dram--to enhance the whisky.

Ken

[Kyle Harris]

Lloyd

I hope your game is better than your taste in booze, ‘ Whisky Mack’ indeed and 50/50, boy, do you like your drink diluted. If we ever meet I’m not sure whether to shake your hand or kiss you. Whisky Mack  – if you have just ordered that at a Scottish bar make sure that when you visit the restroom you go by yourself, you sweet boy you. Is it the new carters drink?

The secret of a Single Malt is just a dash of water (teaspoon full – no more). 

Melvyn

Geez Melvyn, I'm surprised.

I would NEVER cut my Macallan with anything. 

If that's the case, you are definitley missing out on the true flavor of the whisky.

As they say in Scotland, "NEVER drink whisky without water, and never drink water without whisky"

I've been to the Mcallan distillery, and they give you a pitcher with your dram--to enhance the whisky.

Ken

Duly noted! I must try it.

[Ken Moum]

Lloyd

I hope your game is better than your taste in booze, ‘ Whisky Mack’ indeed and 50/50, boy, do you like your drink diluted. If we ever meet I’m not sure whether to shake your hand or kiss you. Whisky Mack  – if you have just ordered that at a Scottish bar make sure that when you visit the restroom you go by yourself, you sweet boy you. Is it the new carters drink?

The secret of a Single Malt is just a dash of water (teaspoon full – no more). 

Melvyn

Geez Melvyn, I'm surprised.

I would NEVER cut my Macallan with anything. 

If that's the case, you are definitley missing out on the true flavor of the whisky.

As they say in Scotland, "NEVER drink whisky without water, and never drink water without whisky"

I've been to the Mcallan distillery, and they give you a pitcher with your dram--to enhance the whisky.

Ken

Duly noted! I must try it.

FWIW, if you like the Macallan, you ought to try Aberlour. It's made just a mile or two down the road in Charlestown on Aberlour, where Walker's Shortbreads are made. I like it a bit better than the Macallan, and it's usualy less money as well.

My wife is hooked on whisky and shortbreads, which we "discovered" on our trip in 2006. At dinner one night in St. Andrews,  a woman who gre up in the highlands, responded to our story about whisky and cookies by saying, "You have to understand, I was raised on single malt whisky and Walker's shortbreads."

The good news is that Walgreens carries them in the US under a Walgreen's brand.

Ken

[Kyle Harris]

Is Aberlour available in America? How does it compare to the 18 year old, which is my choice at my current income?

[Bradley Anderson]

The only thing I don't like about being a greenkeeper is when I have to restrict carts after a heavy rain, because it really kills the game.

There are a few clubs where carts are not important, but everyone who joins that club knows that up front and they don't have that expectation. But if you tried to take carts away from any other club, you might as well shut down the whole operation.

An interesting side bar: a good friend of mine put in a continuous path network around his entire course. On rain days when I was NO CARTS, he would be CART PATHS ONLY. I would call him up and ask how many golfers showed up to play CART PATHS ONLY and he had zero golfers. People would call up the shop and ask about carts, and when they were told CART PATHS ONLY they would hang up.

[mike_beene]

The worst way to play by far is cart path only.Especially on a modern course that has worked so hard to hide the paths.

[Richard Boult]

IMHO, golf is a sport that involves the small amount of time spent on the course surveying the next shot, addressing the ball, and striking it. How you and your clubs arrive at each shot  (via cart, legs, caddie, push cart, etc.), how you spend that time between shots (appreciating your surroundings, evaluating the design, taking photos, bs-ing with your friends, drinking, smoking, or whatever), and what you wear when you arrive for each shot (jeans, cargo shorts, slacks, golf shoes, sandals, etc.) seems more or less irrelevant to me.  I prefer walking in very casual apparel and appreciating my surroundings between shots, but I play with others who prefer whizzing around in carts stocked with Bud Lights... We all love the game.

If you take away the carts, I think they'd keep playing. It's really the sport (hitting the ball and scoring) that attracts us most. Riding, walking, gambling, drinking and the rest are just icing on the cake... Pick your preference.

That said, calling golf and cart golf 2 different games seems ridiculous.

[Steve Lang]

W&C's and W&PC's should be charged 40% of the cost of a cart as a trail fee.  It makes zero sense for a golfer to be able to play at no additional cost above dues.

that's absurd.. i pay my dues or fees for my basic priviledges, i walk for my health, i ride for convenience and pay for it..

i suppose one should pay 40% of a beer if one drinks a cup of water as a beverage cart fee?

we easily have hundreds of two & three wheelers in action.. less in summer , more in winter..  most of those who ride almost always ride..  they couldn't carry those honkingbigbags for 9 holes!

[Ken Moum]

Is Aberlour available in America? How does it compare to the 18 year old, which is my choice at my current income?

The 12 and 16 are both available here.

My preference is actually for the 10, which is no longer imported. In Scotland, it was available pretty much everywhere, and is very nice.

It is a bit on the sweet side, but I prefer that to the smokier ones.

You should be able to get the 16 yo Aberlour for about half what the Macallan 18 costs.

Their "best" is Abun'ah, which has no age statement because it is a combination of singlemalts to produce a certain profile.

K

[Rob Rigg]

Eric,

That was brilliant - if I had a club, I would extend you an invitation to join it.

[Michael Whitaker]

Golfers over here love their electric trolleys - they are nearly extensions of their cars.  I am even considering getting one!

If you could find one with a GPS system built in you would really have something. You know, a little TV screen - like the big boy carts - with the ability to place an order with the grill from the 9th tee.

Could it get much better?

[R_Paulis]

I'm over 50 now...love to walk ...but tend to ride when I play weekdays after work...that way we can get as many holes in as time permits ...and can jump around a little bit if we run into some slow play...just skip a few holes and move

Time limitations have me riding a lot more the last few years. I usually have a little over two hours of daylight by the time I get to the course after work.  Assuming, I tee off before the twilight crowd I can squeeze in 18 holes in two hours. Quite often it requires jumping around a bit as the early afternoon tee timers are on the early part of the back nine. So I play the first four to six holes, jump over to the backside and play the last four to six then hit the holes in the middle I missed. This could not be done without a cart in two hours.

I still walk when time permits but time is the reason I ride.

[Mark Pritchett]

My group often takes one cart with "four Bagger" attachment.  This allows three of our foursome to walk and we take turns driving the cart as needed or desired.  The club also charges less for this than the regular cart fee.  It is a nice compromise between "ride or walk and carry". 

[Eric Smith]

My group often takes one cart with "four Bagger" attachment.  This allows three of our foursome to walk and we take turns driving the cart as needed or desired.  The club also charges less for this than the regular cart fee.  It is a nice compromise between "ride or walk and carry". 

Cool setup.  I haven't seen that before.

When I worked at Palmetto Dunes a dozen years ago I had a kind of 4-bagger incident.  Drove out to the bag drop, strapped on two bags as usual and set the other two bags up front across the seat and the cupholders.  One of the bags slipped down from the cupholder and engaged the gas pedal, sending the cart speeding across the lot, crashing in to a brand new lincoln town car.   And this was my FIRST DAY ON THE JOB!  Forever after, everyone on staff called me Crash, and my best friends down there still do.

[Sam Maryland]

Very interesting topic.

The asphalt vs. concrete tire wear stat really surprised me, I prob would have guessed the opposite.

Played Crandon last week and was disappointed to hear 'no walking'.  Asked if I could pay the cart fee and walk anyway - nope.  Worked several angles to try to get an explanation only to hear "that's the way the county told us it would be".  The Eisenhower regulars would have none of that!  (and the test indicated that mandatory carts did not speed up play) 

At Bethpage on the Red very few carts turn up before 11am, a lot from 12noon on.  Similar on Green course, a few more carts on Blue course.  Seems like a strong correlation between better players embracing walking, more casual players ride - but that was prob obvious.

But then you go to a place like Bay Hill with a ton of good players and hardly anyone ever walks even though it is allowed with caddies.

Some cart availability is needed, I too have a Dad that loves the game but physically he couldn't handle walking.  Hell, he'll hardly play if it's carts on paths.  We've worked out a system where I walk and get his ball and throw it over to where he is by the path - works like a charm!

If carts disappeared off the face of the earth some clubs would see play go to zero, like the previously mentioned Mountain Aire.  Others, like Bethpage Black, and prob Red too, would see no impact at all.  But overall I suspect maybe 30% of the golfing public would drop the game without carts.

SM

[Rob Rigg]

Art - is not! 

BTW - the "four bagger" is lame - yet somehow quite the nifty idea. are cart paths necessary if only one cart goes out with each foursome?

If that will get more people to walk, with all the beer they need safely carted around for 18 (definitely an american phenomenon), then it might be step, or stumble, in the right direction.

[Tim Gavrich]

Forgive me if this is a rehash, but...

I think golf carts are at times a necessary evil in golf today.  Like it or not, they make the game accessible to a great number of people for whom walking is not viable.  Furthermore, they are a nice source of revenue for many, many courses.

I think the most important effect of carts is the fact that they can turn golf-marginal pieces of land into golf-ready pieces of land.  I agree that routing and walk-in-the-park factor are important, but I refuse to accept that a course cannot be seen as great because it is laid out such that walking is not practical.  While time spent between shots is not to be totally dismissed, golf course architecture is mostly about the shots themselves.  Therefore, the presence of carts at courses is never a deal-breaker for me.

That said, my ideal club would probably be walking-only with a healthy caddy program.

Incidentally, one of my teammates runs a sort of caddy service in his hometown of Louisville, KY.  It's http://gottacaddie.com/ if you're interested in looking at it.  I think it's a great idea, and would love to see something like this on a grand scale.

[Sean_A]

Golfers over here love their electric trolleys - they are nearly extensions of their cars.  I am even considering getting one!

If you could find one with a GPS system built in you would really have something. You know, a little TV screen - like the big boy carts - with the ability to place an order with the grill from the 9th tee.

Could it get much better?

Whitty

I haven't seen the Caddy Shack model yet, but I have seen some cool remote control trolleys.  They look to be great weapons for annoying your golf partners.

Ciao

[Mike Nuzzo]

Other extra costs:

Course damage & ruts from carts going off path during on path only times - like when passing one cart and rutting up the outside edge of the path.

Adding basins to cart paths to try and prevent said rutting.

gobble gobble

[Michael Whitaker]

Golfers over here love their electric trolleys - they are nearly extensions of their cars.  I am even considering getting one!

If you could find one with a GPS system built in you would really have something. You know, a little TV screen - like the big boy carts - with the ability to place an order with the grill from the 9th tee.

Could it get much better?

Whitty

I haven't seen the Caddy Shack model yet, but I have seen some cool remote control trolleys.  They look to be great weapons for annoying your golf partners.

Ciao

I can't wait to see you with your new GPS enabled electric trolley!!!

[Matt_Ward]

If you told people in the southeast USA -- to name just one area -- where hot temps and high humidity are daily aspects when playing during the prime summer months -- that electric and / or gas carts would not be available and that only walkers would be able to play I would guess that no less than 50% of the people would answer that restriction with a simple two word response ...

SEE YA !!!!

The viewpoints of those who post and / or lurk here on GCA -- represent a small percentage of those who play. I love to walk but the cart has become so essential and so ingrained for plenty more people than many might care to admit.

[archie_struthers]

 


anyone got an update on Segways and golf .... are they able to handle the terrain ..how about damage to turf .....maintenance of Segway vs conventional  ??

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