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Ed_Baker

Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« on: June 13, 2002, 01:17:14 PM »
How many times have I stood shoulder to shoulder with my GCA purist bretheren decrying the evils of club and ball technology and its effect on classic golf courses and shaping modern architecture? Scores my brothers,scores. Thousands of words displayed for the world to see in cyberspace.

I recently started playing with a 427ss Cobra driver that has a head on it the size of the back windows of a "63 Corvette split window coupe. I am also playing with ladies golf balls. Yes, the precept ladies. Anybody want to join me in the Friday night scotch? I'll wear the skirt.

God help me, I am a happy man. Technology has erased 3 decades of overeating and drinking,what a blow to clean living!
I am seeing my tee shots come to rest in places at my home course that I haven't seen since my vacation at Uncle Ho's paradise, and that was a hundred pounds ago! If I time the electric slide of the fatman right, it works just like a full shouder turn did with persimmon.

Yes my brothers, I am a rogue agent, a convert of the worst kind, the only thing left in my bag from the purist days is the wizened old bulls eye that has more air time than the Concorde.

By day, I delight in the benefits of technology, by night, I profess technologies evils. I await the verdict of this august group. Any other closet users out there?
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Mike_Cirba

Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2002, 01:24:52 PM »
Ed,

Senor GeoffreyC has been trying to corrupt me into replacing my 15 year old blades, while offering repeatedly to let me use his new Taylor 320 driver while on the course.  

Thus far, I've refused his Faustian bargain, but I must admit to growing weak as I find myself attempting solace in the thought that at least I can be the first one to reach the green.   ::)

I'm sure JakaB would find pathos and meaningful beauty in my plight, though, so I have that going for me. ;)
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Rob Hallford

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Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2002, 01:25:55 PM »
Ping TiSi 335 cc driver. :-[

Callaway HX blue ball. :-[

But I still use my 1994 Hogan Apex Irons, dammit!

I'm so ashamed.... :'(

indy
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Bob_Huntley

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Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2002, 01:37:05 PM »
I went to the garage, retreived my set of 1972 Hogan Apex irons, No.4 shaft tipped a quarter inch. Took them out to the range at Quail to see what it was like. I looked down and saw a razor blade on a steel rod, put 'em back in the bag and took solace in my Ping I3s Oversize. Hooray for some technology.
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Bob_Huntley

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Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #4 on: June 13, 2002, 01:54:28 PM »
I went to the garage, retreived my set of 1972 Hogan Apex irons, No.4 shaft tipped a quarter inch. Took them out to the range at Quail to see what it was like. I looked down and saw a razor blade on a steel rod, put 'em back in the bag and took solace in my Ping I3s Oversize. Hooray for some technology.
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JakaB

Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #5 on: June 13, 2002, 02:24:36 PM »
Can you imagine how great it would be if we just wrote letters in long hand to each other instead of using this electronic crap....lonely, but great.

Please send future thoughts to...

JakaB
P.O. Box 551
Lawrenceville, IL 62439
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Craig Van Egmond

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Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #6 on: June 13, 2002, 02:59:59 PM »

Ed,

     Welcome to the club!  I too play the Cobra 427, but have recently changed from the lady to the laddie ball.  My buddy even went out and bought the Cobra after hitting mine.
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GeoffreyC

Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #7 on: June 13, 2002, 04:12:37 PM »
Mike Cirba

Shame on you.  You forgot to mention that I keep sending you info on sets of newer Mizuno TP9 blades to replace those 15 year old blades of yours.  

I am guilty of the Taylor 320 Tour series driver but I do have those Mizuno's in my bag.

PS- followed Mike Weir around at the Open today for a bit and he is playing a newer huge headed Taylor driver (probably 500 series prototype).  I am once again obsolete with the driver as well.  :'( .
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Jim_Kennedy

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Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2002, 07:51:03 PM »
Mike Cirba,
Try the new PM731's from Titleist. Great irons. 3,4,& 5 are cavity backs, 6 & 7 have a "dimple" in the muscle-back and the 8 thru PW are full blades. Chrome over soft stainless cast produces a soft forged feel, especially with Rifle shafts.   I'm also having fun telling folks who come into my shop and drool over them - "sorry, they don't make these in a right handed model". Best irons I have hit in a while.
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"I never beat a well man in my life" - Harry Vardon

BV

Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #9 on: June 13, 2002, 07:56:06 PM »
Taylor 300's are a nice baby step for you blade lovers.  Only 3 sets of Apex blades since 1965 until them.

The real demon is the driver. :P  (Still giving up yardage with the Titleist D to all you long knockers with modern technology.   :'(  )
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Charles_P.

Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #10 on: June 13, 2002, 08:22:56 PM »
I don't think there's anything inconsistent about bemoaning the effects of technology on classic layouts yet using those same implements to play.

As long as you're playing a match or competition, you'd be crazy to forego the equipment advantage your fellow-competitor is availing himself of.  You might enjoy the course the way the architect originally intended, but you won't enjoy always being "away"

That said, distance is only relative, and I'll give up my 330cc driver or multi-layer ball without complaint if (or when, hopefully) the governing bodies see fit.
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TEPaul

Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #11 on: June 13, 2002, 08:23:33 PM »
I just LOVE this new technology!

I'm one of those guys who likes to play a mulligan or two off every tee and with my new Cobra BIG BOY 1360cc driver I can play my original drive and up to two mulligans all at the same time!

If I swing it right the middle ball goes straight, the inside one fades under it and the outside one draws over it! I can pick any of the three I want and play from there with my new Callaway "quick twitch" irons! You can't believe what I can do with those without even meaning to.

I got some of the coolest strategies going you could ever imagine.
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Mike_Cirba

Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #12 on: June 13, 2002, 08:41:20 PM »
Geoffrey/JimK/Bill;

I very much appreciate all of your sincere efforts to move me out of the "golfing Luddite" category.  Perhaps, as Charles P. argues, I'm simply crazy.

Lord knows I'm not playing well enough or often enough to use the blades as effectively as I used to, and although I used to be considered a fairly long driver, I'm finding myself more and more often standing in stark amazement at how far past me I see the drives of my playing partners coming to rest.  

Perhaps my game has just gone to crap (the highest percentage theory) and I've now become some type of JakaB caricature of a fading middle-aging golfer.  

Still, I'd rather chalk it up to this insane passion for really looking at and studying golf course architecture while I'm out there, instead of actually playing the game to shoot a score.  It's sort of ironic; in my younger years I was fiercely competitive and had the temperament of Steve Pate.  I could be playing the coolest course in the world and if I wasn't playing to what I saw as my potential, I'd be insufferably miserable.  Now, I can hack it around, but if I see some things worth seeing, and gain an understanding of what the architect intended and find it unique or interesting, and most importantly, if I have some like-minded companions who don't mind watching me chunk or blade wedge shots, then life is good.

Perhaps I'll give into technology when I start slowing down the game.  
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John_Conley

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Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #13 on: June 13, 2002, 09:54:24 PM »
This reminds me of two guys I caddied for as a kid.  Their standard game included a bet each hole for long drive in fairway.  Don showed up with a new 45" PGA metalwood while his orthodontist friend Lloyd continued to use a 43" persimmon head.  For weeks me (and anyone else who caddied for the two) would keep the PGA "under wraps" as soon as it was hit.

Pretty funny that one guy embraced new innovations and worked so hard to try to keep it a secret.
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Rick Shefchik

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Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #14 on: June 13, 2002, 09:54:32 PM »
Shivas --

I don't agree we're hypocrites if we play the newest technology while at the same time writing GCA posts advocating limitations on distance.

As has been written here many times, none of us (except maybe Matt Ward; I keep hearing he's awfully long) are overpowering the classic courses we love so much. We -- and the millions of hackers-to-single-digits like us around the world -- are not the reason Augusta National is heading for 7,500 yards and many other venerable tracks are stretching out as well. It's the pros -- the trained athletes, if you will -- whose use of hot balls and spring-like drivers "embarssass" the old courses and drive the architectural overhauls.

Jeff Fortson says it's jealousy (on top of hypocrisy) on our part to want to limit the pros while we still play the hi-tech stuff. No, no, no -- if they'd leave the courses alone, I couldn't care less if Tiger drives every par-4 green he sees. But they won't leave the courses alone. As Charles P. says, I'll give up my current equipment (not that it's all that current: 10-year-old Hogan Edges, 5-year-old Big Bertha 3-wood and driver) if it's outlawed; and I'll play a competition ball just for the challenge of it. But I've never felt a smidgen of guilt that the driver I hit now is better than the driver I hit in 1985. I'm getting too old to tell the difference anymore anyway.
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"Golf is 20 percent mechanics and technique. The other 80 percent is philosophy, humor, tragedy, romance, melodrama, companionship, camaraderie, cussedness and conversation." - Grantland Rice

Mike Vegis @ Kiawah

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Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2002, 07:14:50 AM »
I've been playing 1985 Titleist Tour Model blades for the last few years.  But, regrettably, they've joined my two sets of 1972 Haig Ultras in my garage...  I've gone to brand new Titleist 762s...  It feels like I'm hitting rocks but the other day I played a round and only missed two greens (and those were only by a couple of yards...).  Now, if only I could putt...  Even Scotty can't help me there...
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Will W

Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2002, 08:38:32 AM »
pop over to the golf equipment aficionados forum

http://forums.delphiforums.com/golfequip/start

you'll find hundreds of posts pro and con scotty cameron.  it's really an unresolvable debate with heated emotions on both sides.

great signature tag by the way.  the donald steel "classics of links golf" (??) is fantastic!
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Jeff Fortson

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Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2002, 08:47:52 AM »
I have given into technology a bit but I will say that I stand proud at using persimmon all the way until 1996.  In 1997 I turned pro and had to give in to compete.  Here is my bag now...

Driver = Taylor Made 360  44"  DG X-100
3-Wood = Taylor Made 200 series (steelhead)  DG X-100
2-Iron = PRGR 200i  DG S-400
3-iron - PWedge = Taylor Made 300 Forged  DG X-100
SWedge = Taylor Made rac 56 degree  DG X-100
LWedge = Taylor Made rac 60 degree  DG X-100
Putter = Either Scotty Cameron Inspired by Brad Faxon Laguna 2.5 or Taylor Made Rossa Sebring Tour
Swingweight on all clubs is D3

Ball = Pro V1*
Glove = Titleist Players or Taylor Made React
Shoes = Adidas

As you can see I am obviously on staff with Taylor Made.  I play with some tech but you have to give me credit for playing steel shafts in all my clubs including the driver.  Also, my irons from 3-iron through my wedges are at least traditional looking when you set them down to hit them and they're forged.  Anyway, I just thought I would add my two cents on giving in to technology.  

Jeff F.
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Dave_Miller

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Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2002, 10:58:07 AM »
Ed:  
You know me.  I embrace all new technologies (As long as it's legal)  But even with the new Driver we ain't gonna mistake the Bakie Carpie for John Daley.
As General Custar found out "it's the Indan not the Arrows".
Dave
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redanman

Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2002, 02:46:00 PM »

Quote
As you can see I am obviously on staff with Taylor Made.  Jeff F.


Jeff, you and I are pretty kindred souls. That said.....ASAP Send me ASAP some XL React gloves, ASAP, I can't get them anywhere here in PA!!!!!


DId I say ASAP?  :D
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Chip Royce

Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2002, 11:38:11 AM »
Ed -
I have to see it to believe it...
When shall I come by CC for 36? ;)
Chip
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Chip Royce

Re: Technology Wins Another One, I'm Guilty
« Reply #21 on: June 15, 2002, 11:41:04 AM »
But seriously, I too am another hypocrite.
I recently put a Cleveland Launcher 9 degree in my bag... that coupled with the Maxfli Noodle (one hell of a ball) have shaved about 3 strokes off my handicap (now a 9).
Golf has become a Driver, wedge game for me unless the course is over 6500 yards or so.

That being said, I'd give it all up in a heartbeat if the USGA / R&A / PGA Tour adopted a restricted, competition ball. I would gladly play with such an implement, even if others around me did not.  

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