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Ian Larson

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Form versus Function in golf course design
« on: November 13, 2008, 09:34:51 PM »
The "Sand Trap Liner" thread made me think about some discussions I had about bunkers and bunker design. I personally

appreciate Paul Cowleys way of thinking when he designs and builds a golf course in relation to its maintenance. That is obviously a great

attitude to have and there should probably more of it in the business. But when he personally doesnt prefer to use liners (which isnt a bad thing),

and he lowers grass lines for the bunker edge where gravity works against the sand staying in place, is this designing more for the function

than the form? My point is this, what if a steep flashed face bunker was the appropriate design element for that bunker. The steep flashed face

served a real purpose in the strategy and playability of the hole (i.e. hiding the green surface, depth deception of the green, protecting the

green, you get the point). Would you try to do anything you could to pull it off?  Or would you lower the grass line and build it with a grass face?


This reminded me of when I was working at Riviera and we started the renovations with Marzolf. I was all excited because I thought we would

try to bring back the look of the old bunkers had (that I salivated over in books). We started the first bunker which was the front right greenside

bunker guarding #3 green, and I asked Mr. Marzolf if we were going to bring back the old scallops they once had. His reply was no because

the weed eaters would just cut them off again. I was extremely disappointed and something felt wrong about it.


I dont think design should be so outrageous that is is so difficult for the super to maintain. But I also think that the design and the art of the

design should come first, with the maintenance adjusting itself to the design. If all design was completely maintenance friendly we would have

some bland golf course architecture.


I think form should dictate function in golf course design.

Mike Nuzzo

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Re: Form versus Function in golf course design
« Reply #1 on: November 13, 2008, 11:08:48 PM »
Don gave me a good quote this week.... I can't remember but it was intended to mean Function only ... tongue in cheek.

Were you involved recently at Rivera?
The real reason I am responding is what happened on #10?

Thinking of Bob, Rihc, Bill, George, Neil, Dr. Childs, & Tiger.

Ian Larson

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Re: Form versus Function in golf course design
« Reply #2 on: November 13, 2008, 11:19:08 PM »
Mike,

No, I was at Riviera during the first phase of the recent renovations which was 1, 3, 9 and 12 in 2005.