[Tim Leahy]

No hassles man.  And I'm sure you have your reasons for bias against Ostler.  As for me, I've always enjoyed his writing.... and it is kinda cool these two clubs (of all possibilities) meet in the final of this event.
TH

Everything Scott O writes is tongue in cheek. As a fellow Pepperdine Alumnus I have read his stuff going back to his days at the LA Times and love his sense of humor on sports.

[David_Tepper]

John V.B. & Tom H. -

With regard to Rule #9, I remember being told that, once the 4-ball match was over, Player A could declare Player B (his partner in the concluded 4-ball match) his caddy.  On this basis, Player A could continue to solicit advice from Player B regarding his singles match with Player C.

Does that sound correct to you? Does it matter whether the singles match between Players B and D has been concluded?

DT     

[Joel_Stewart]

The article is factually inaccurate which is normal for most of Ostlers reporting.  The guy knows a little about many things and somehow makes a living writing about nothing.

A few years ago he went to the Masters and won the press lottery to play ANGC on Monday.  It was the worst review, most poorly written article I have ever read.  He had never played with a caddie and was completely out of his league.

This article today  says Olympic has man made lakes which is completely not true.   It says Lincoln has lakes with broken pipes.

The sad thing is it's not funny, not educational and is poorly written which for a journalist is as bad as it gets.

[Reef Wilson]

All I've got to say is ... where's this soda guy selling out of the trunk of his car?

I was there just last week and on many occasions before and not once have I seen this vendor...

Hmmm...

I think of him more as the beer guy selling out of the trunk of his car.

He's definitely not there often but I saw him a couple of times when I used to live a few blocks away and played there all the time. He would essentially drive his car back and forth around the back of the Legion of Honor hitting guys on the tee at 6 and then again at 11 tee. Very handy considering the lack of amenities.

I played there recently after a couple years hiatus and it was quite the fun quirky time considering the golf course, um, aficionado I have become in that time. Still this was a great place to hone my game back in the day.

Anyone here play it back when #3 was a par four? I guess there was a landslide where the fairway was. Or is this just a myth. Somebody told me they heard this from Johnny Miller. If true that must have been a tough little hole!

Reef

[Matt_Cohn]

All I've got to say is ... where's this soda guy selling out of the trunk of his car?

I was there just last week and on many occasions before and not once have I seen this vendor...

Hmmm...

I think of him more as the beer guy selling out of the trunk of his car.

He's definitely not there often but I saw him a couple of times when I used to live a few blocks away and played there all the time. He would essentially drive his car back and forth around the back of the Legion of Honor hitting guys on the tee at 6 and then again at 11 tee. Very handy considering the lack of amenities.

I played there recently after a couple years hiatus and it was quite the fun quirky time considering the golf course, um, aficionado I have become in that time. Still this was a great place to hone my game back in the day.

Anyone here play it back when #3 was a par four? I guess there was a landslide where the fairway was. Or is this just a myth. Somebody told me they heard this from Johnny Miller. If true that must have been a tough little hole!

Reef

It's a dogleg, just not a par 4!

But given 1) the routing, and 2) the fully-grown trees immediately behind the green, it's hard to imagine how this hole could have been a par-4.

[David_Tepper]

Reef & Matt -

#3 was definitely a par-4 at one time. The landslide that took away the teeing area happened at least 35-40 years ago. I know a guy who played high school & junior golf against guys like Johnny Miller and he has told me the same.

As you cross the road and walk to the 3rd tee, the area to your right used to be the 3rd tee and a portion of the 3rd fairway, before it slid down the cliff to the water.       

The land at the edges of San Francisco is very unstable in certain areas. Remember, the original showcase course at the Olympic Club  in the 1930's was the Ocean course, before the land gave way and much of the course slid down the hill toward the ocean.  The same thing happened to the holes built on the ocean side of the highway for the Ocean Course in the 1990's.  One of the green sites of the par-3 Cliffs course has slid down the hill there as well within the past decade.

DT

[John Keenan]

As to the gentleman selling beer out of his car it must be an SF muni golf thing. My son and I played the short 9 hole course in Golden Gate park and suddenly out of the park a man appears with a very large messenger bag filled with ice cokes, and beer. Admittedly unexpected he was quite nice offered his goods and moved on. The two older gentleman who were regulars said he was there most days. 

I guess the walk to Lincoln is too long or the beer car salesman has that franchise.

[Tom Huckaby]

John V.B. & Tom H. -

With regard to Rule #9, I remember being told that, once the 4-ball match was over, Player A could declare Player B (his partner in the concluded 4-ball match) his caddy.  On this basis, Player A could continue to solicit advice from Player B regarding his singles match with Player C.

Does that sound correct to you? Does it matter whether the singles match between Players B and D has been concluded?

DT     

That's how we've treated it; however, the assumption was also that BvD singles match was over too.  I think if B is still playing golf he can't also be declared as caddie. But this is a situation for... SUPER JOHN!

TH

ps - Joel - lighten up.  Of course those are "factual errors" - do you really think he intended them as gospel truth?  I don't. 

[Patrick Kiser]

John,

I can vouch for that as well at Golden Gate.  I basically saw the guy all the time. Even in mornings...

I've got an OT story to go with this...

One morning I got out to the Golden Gate and hooked up with two ''sheets to the wind'' Irish lads who, turns out, had just gotten off their night shift bartending.  I mean these guys were so gone I was keeping my distance (e.g. drunk Irishman with stick = probably not good).

Anyway, these two fellas immediately started to thrash my ass.  Granted I was a newbie, but I couln't believe it.  Fast forward now and sure enough ... guess who pops out of the woods like some elixir fairie.  Yes, the beer guy.  Low and behold the two lads just about clean out this guys stash.  One of the lads turns to me and says in some inaudible Irish '' I think you need a brew the way you're playing''.  I have to admit I was very close to joining in, but I told myself I was bound to have few strokes in the bag at some point.  They were so irritated by my refusal that they somehow stepped it up a notch and started to play even better.

Well there never were any strokes in the bag that day and I just about quite this stupid game to go back to soccer.  The fellas faded towards the end a little (e.g. too much hair of the dog I guess), but I took my beating nonetheless.

Moral of the story ... drink up when two drunk Irishman offer you beers on an early morning at Golden Gate and they're beating your pants off. 

True story.

As to the gentleman selling beer out of his car it must be an SF muni golf thing. My son and I played the short 9 hole course in Golden Gate park and suddenly out of the park a man appears with a very large messenger bag filled with ice cokes, and beer. Admittedly unexpected he was quite nice offered his goods and moved on. The two older gentleman who were regulars said he was there most days. 

I guess the walk to Lincoln is too long or the beer car salesman has that franchise.

[Matt_Cohn]

Reef & Matt -

#3 was definitely a par-4 at one time. The landslide that took away the teeing area happened at least 35-40 years ago. I know a guy who played high school & junior golf against guys like Johnny Miller and he has told me the same.

As you cross the road and walk to the 3rd tee, the area to your right used to be the 3rd tee and a portion of the 3rd fairway, before it slid down the cliff to the water.       

The land at the edges of San Francisco is very unstable in certain areas. Remember, the original showcase course at the Olympic Club  in the 1930's was the Ocean course, before the land gave way and much of the course slid down the hill toward the ocean.  The same thing happened to the holes built on the ocean side of the highway for the Ocean Course in the 1990's.  One of the green sites of the par-3 Cliffs course has slid down the hill there as well within the past decade.

DT

Like this?

[David_Tepper]

Matt -

I would think that is about right. Nice work!

DT

[Tim Leahy]

this is why I love this site, where else would you get this kind of info.

[Joel_Stewart]

From the NCGA website,

In an inner-city battle between two clubs on the opposite sides of Golden Gate Park, The Olympic Club and Lincoln Park dueled for the Saturday League title. Unfortunately for the public Lincoln Park, the private Olympic Club was on fire, sweeping all possible points in three groups in posting a 26-10 blowout win. Lincoln Park was seeking to become the first club to win a league title three times, but were thwarted by the Daly City club that is playing in its first league finals.

[Forrest Richardson]

During 2008 I played Cypress, Oakmont, The Old Course, Cruden Bay, North Berwick and a few other impressive places. Some had drink carts. But the most fun I had was an 18-hole trek over Lincoln Park. I am not sure why, but it grows on you. Not literally, of course.

[JohnV]

Olympic is taking on another private course, Sharon Heights for the championship tomorrow while Lincoln Park takes on Whitney Oaks from Roseville for 3rd place.

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