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Rick Sides

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Any Advice About Merion
« on: October 16, 2008, 08:41:28 AM »
I am getting a great chance to play Merion this weekend.  Does anyone have any advice how to play the course and/or architectural things I should observe?  I'm very excited!

D_Malley

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2008, 08:42:57 AM »
if you get into the rough make sure your next shot is from the fairway, even if you have to pitch out sideways.

Adam Clayman

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2008, 09:16:15 AM »
Don't let the caddies abandon your bag on #17 without taking another ball and a few clubs.

Also, When teeing off on #2, stay left.

If you are playing with Wayne, aim a little farther left on 11. ;)
"It's unbelievable how much you don't know about the game you've been playing your whole life." - Mickey Mantle

Bill Brightly

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2008, 09:22:09 AM »
If you are playing with wayne, ask him on the first tee to point out the holes that Macdonald routed   ;D

wsmorrison

Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2008, 09:27:01 AM »
Listen carefully to your caddie.  Grain has an effect on putting.  All the grain goes towards the lowest point on the property, the 11th green.  Your eyes will deceive you on some putts, particularly as it relates to speed and thus break, depending upon the direction of grain.  The other thing to bear in mind is that many tees deliberately point in the wrong direction, often the worst offline angle.  Be especially careful on the 3rd.

Consider the flow of the holes.  The first is a short dogleg par 4 with 13 bunkers.  The requirement for accuracy and distance control on all shots around Merion East begins right off the bat.  After the short first are 5 long holes, the only 2 par 5s on the course are the 2nd and 4th in opposite directions, the first uphill (your line is always the tall white tree in the distance) and the last downhill (aim towards the distant tower with the fork on top and know that the second fairway beyond the large cross bunker shifts to the left.  The 3rd, a slightly uphill par 3 looks like a Redan but the green slopes in the opposite direction and there is no possibility of running the ball onto the green.  Also the green isn't offset like every other Redan concept replica.  Try taking a few putts from around the massive green (48 yards long), particularly middle right to front left.  It is one of the great greens in golf and very difficult to 2 putt.  Take a look at the high back left shelf as it is pinned at times.   The 5th is one of the great natural land-form holes in all of golf.  The more you challenge the left side with the parallel creek and 2 bunkers, the flatter your lie and the far better angle into the canted green (right to left).  In fact, look at the green while standing on the third and get a sense of the slope and when you're walking to your tee shot on 4, take a look at the slope of the green from that vantage point.  The perspectives are quite different.  The 6th runs in the same direction as the 5th but plays very differently with the large green with complicated interplays of slopes having a false front.  You either have to fly the ball all the way above the false front or get it running early.  Now comes the second act.  Holes 7-13 are short holes requiring precise play.  Playing close to the OB on 7 and 8 yield the best approach angle.  On the 8th hole, play over the left edge of the right fairway bunker even if you can see the pin over the right side of the left fairway bunker.  Make sure you're in the fairway because you'll need to have spin on the ball to hold the green.  Have fun on this stretch and bear in mind, like those that know the course, the finishing 5 holes are the toughest in golf.  It puts added pressure on many players to score well on the short stretch before the third and final act that is golf at Merion.  Let us know your thoughts.  By the way, keep an eye out for the championship tees.  They add about 500 yards to the course and man are they challenging!  The yardage added are on holes 2,3!!,5!!,6!!,12,14!(from back of practice green),15!,17! and 18!.
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John Kavanaugh

Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2008, 09:37:15 AM »
Would it be possible to capture some digital audio of your round.  Isn't the first tee something of legend?

wsmorrison

Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #6 on: October 16, 2008, 09:46:47 AM »
Good point, John.  I hope Rick tees off at lunchtime so he can experience the close proximity of the lunch crowd to the first tee.  It is nerve wracking, especially from the back tee.  It will be kind of cold, so I don't know how many will be out.  I'm sure there will be a nice fire going on the upper terrace so that he may experience the lunch crowd effect.  :-[

Rick Sides

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #7 on: October 16, 2008, 11:10:56 AM »
Wayne,
Does the putting advice about everything running to the 11th hole still apply to the other side of Ardmore Ave. where the clubhouse sits?

Phil Benedict

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2008, 11:17:42 AM »
My advice would be don't start another Merion thread.

JSlonis

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #9 on: October 16, 2008, 11:19:30 AM »
Wayne,
Does the putting advice about everything running to the 11th hole still apply to the other side of Ardmore Ave. where the clubhouse sits?

Yes.

Tom Birkert

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2008, 11:23:49 AM »
If you can do what a guy I know did and hit driver, 2 iron onto the 2nd green then you'll be doing very, very well!

Enjoy, it's a fabulous golf course - listen to your caddie!

Sean Leary

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2008, 11:26:00 AM »
Aim farther left than you think you need to on your second shot on 4. Gets me every time.

Take a good look at 12 and 15 greens in case they get changed for the US Open. What a shame that would be.

Rick Sides

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2008, 11:35:34 AM »
So the low point of the property (11th green) really has that much effect on putts?

SPDB

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2008, 11:36:40 AM »

 and the last downhill (aim towards the distant tower with the fork on top and know that the second fairway beyond the large cross bunker shifts to the left.  


Be sure to take Sean's advice, because while Wayne correctly pointed out that the fairway after the cross bunker on #4 shifts to the left, what he failed to mention is that it shifts after you've struck your layup shot.  Aim left!

Matt OBrien

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #14 on: October 16, 2008, 11:46:37 AM »
So the low point of the property (11th green) really has that much effect on putts?

It has that much of an effect that the 7th green looks to be up hill when you are putting from the front to back and since the 11th green in behind it, it is a very fast putt. It gets me every time because I think its up hill and i hit it harder and im well past the hole. Prey you get a good caddy and listen to him.

Dan Boerger

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2008, 12:15:20 PM »
My advice would be to start the day on the West Course ... and then head over to the East!
"Man should practice moderation in all things, including moderation."  Mark Twain

Jay Flemma

Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #16 on: October 16, 2008, 12:17:16 PM »
Here's some sage advice, and I mean this sincerely even though it's simple advice...

Have a great time!  Don't give a darn what you shoot.  Just go have fun.

wsmorrison

Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #17 on: October 16, 2008, 03:12:37 PM »
Dan is right.  Play the West Course if you have time.  It is often overlooked but well worth the visit.

Jed Peters

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #18 on: October 16, 2008, 03:14:24 PM »
Don't have a negative comment about the course when you're done playing it.

:)

Anthony Gray

Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #19 on: October 16, 2008, 03:35:09 PM »
Here's some sage advice, and I mean this sincerely even though it's simple advice...

Have a great time!  Don't give a darn what you shoot.  Just go have fun.



    Everywhere!!!!!!!




wsmorrison

Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #20 on: October 16, 2008, 03:51:16 PM »
Anthony,

I couldn't agree more.  I don't know why JF thinks it is sage advice.  Outside of competitions, way more often than not, the folks I play with take the attitude to simply have a great time.  I've been stress tested lately with my terrible play with my driver, but I always have fun.  Dan Hermann witnessed the depths of my play the other day but we still had a great time. 

However, it is a good thing matches are over this time of year, except my year-end golf society event.  I'll try to rally for that one at PV.

Wade Whitehead

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #21 on: October 16, 2008, 04:17:01 PM »
My two tips:

(1) Before you leave every hole, turn around and look back towards the tee, either from next to or behind the green.  Spend a bit studying from that perspective.  I believe this is a fairly dependable way to gain appreciation of many of a great course's true architectural characteristics, especially when you're only playing it once.

(2) Regardless of score or weather, be thankful to experience the East - a golf course that many of us hope to play at some point.

WW

Gene Greco

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #22 on: October 16, 2008, 04:45:33 PM »
        Order the Kobe burger.
"...I don't believe it is impossible to build a modern course as good as Pine Valley.  To me, Sand Hills is just as good as Pine Valley..."    TOM DOAK  November 6th, 2010

JESII

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #23 on: October 16, 2008, 04:54:07 PM »
...and if you're a leftie, borrow someones right handed driver on the first tee just to ease the pressure about 2,000%...

J_ Crisham

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Re: Any Advice About Merion
« Reply #24 on: October 16, 2008, 05:08:15 PM »
Rick,         Bring lots of money for the inevitable spending spree in the proshop! Very well appointed shop with a very sweet older woman who has a great eye for what size will fit you. Nobody leaves without 2 shirts,headware, logo ball, etc... Reasonably priced as proshops go. Enjoy yourself-it is one of the great places in golf-very engaging membership as well.  Oh and the golf is kind of special too! ;D
                                                                         Jack

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