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Neil_Crafter

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Colt, Fowler & Low
« on: September 23, 2008, 11:46:01 PM »
No, its not a dream architectural partnership, but rather a reference to the three men all captured in the 1894 painting of the R&A members watching the Captain Mr Balfour tee off. I had been sent a nice scan of this image by Nick Leefe of Alwoodley and only just today came across the key to the people in the painting reproduced in "The Scrapbook of Old Tom Morris".

I am not aware of this image of Colt having been used anywhere else in published material, nor for the matter, the ones of Fowler and Low. Just thought I'd bring this to people's attention.

cheers Neil



Tony_Muldoon

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Re: Colt, Fowler & Low
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2008, 12:11:38 AM »
Great image Neil, and if you can look closely you can just make out how red Colt's hair was.  I've only recall seeing B/W photos before, I wonder if there are other paintings.

In fact all three are pretty scarcely depicted?  This is the birth of what we now call the Golden Age, but to them the developments to come must have all seemed the height of modernity, and everyone's in plus fours.
2025 Craws Nest Tassie, Carnoustie.

Bob Jenkins

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Re: Colt, Fowler & Low
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2008, 12:37:26 AM »
Neil,

Very cool! Just imagine what those guys were talking about over some Scotch whiskey! Were they concerned about how the "long ball" was going to influence course architecture in the future? How to deal with drainage issues? Did they talk about bunker styles, bunker placement, etc.? I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall.

I have recently been re-reading "The Toronto Terror" by James A. Barclay on the Life and Times of Stanley Thompson. In that book, there are references to Harry Colt and his concept that:

        "  . . penal holes, if not entirely abandoned, should at least make up the minority of the holes on a golf course".

He elaborated and took up a quote from Colt in support of this proposition at page 108.

Going further, and considering the possible collaboration of Thompson and Dr. Mackenzie, Barclay said at p. 111"

       ""A footnote: While Thompson  may not have met Alister McKenzie when Thompson was in Britain during and just after the First World War, the two met when MacKenzie made several visits to Canada, usually with the British Senior's team playing in the triangular team matches against the US and Canada."

It then went on to speak of the architects setting up the International Association of Golf Architects.

From the MacKenzie and Thompson courses I have seen, there are similarities. The bunker styles are similar as are the greens. The latter are not severe but have subtle undulations.

Just think about what those two discussed when they were over a beer!
 

Mark_Rowlinson

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Re: Colt, Fowler & Low
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2008, 04:04:19 AM »
I can just imagine the conversation over beer: 'That's a very pretty barmaid.'

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Colt, Fowler & Low
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2008, 04:28:29 AM »
Tony,

Noticeable that Colt and Fowler are standing two paces apart yet seem wholly uninterested in talking to one another?   ;)

Rich Goodale

Re: Colt, Fowler & Low
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2008, 04:40:46 AM »
...Nevermind......
« Last Edit: September 24, 2008, 05:28:14 AM by Richard Farnsworth Goodale »

Thomas MacWood

Re: Colt, Fowler & Low
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2008, 06:52:00 AM »
I think what Rich was about to say is Colt in the fellow in the foreground, with the walking stick (golf club). I love this painting, the who's who goes beyond those three: OTM, Willie Park II, Douglas Rolland, AM Ross, Horace Hutchinson, etc., etc.

From what I understand each person's portrait was painted individually by the artist and then inserted into the larger painting, which is why none of the men appear to be conversing with one another. If anyone who knows where I can get a print of this painting please shoot me an email.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2008, 08:31:40 AM by Tom MacWood »

Neil_Crafter

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Re: Colt, Fowler & Low
« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2008, 07:35:00 AM »
Tony
Yes, the artist did capture Harry's ginger locks quite well.

Tom
I know Colt is the figure in the forground, I just didn't want to put his name over the top of him. Fowler is immediately below his name. The fact they were painted individually and 'inserted ' into the composition is the reason they look like they are zombies ignoring all around them.
I have a high res file of the painting I can email you if you like Tom - let me know.

Bob
Do you know anything about the International Assoc of Golf Course Architects? Mackenzie mentions it in Spirit but I've never heard anything else about it.

Thomas MacWood

Re: Colt, Fowler & Low
« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2008, 08:05:28 AM »
Neil
I knew you knew, Ally was under the impression it was the gent behind him. I may take you up on that offer, I'll let you know. I don't know much about the IAGCA, but I do know T. Simpson was honorary secretary in 1933.

Ally Mcintosh

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Re: Colt, Fowler & Low
« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2008, 08:27:22 AM »
I did mistake that, yes. But it was more supposed to be a comment about the relationship between Colt and Fowler.

Ian Larson

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Re: Colt, Fowler & Low
« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2008, 01:34:53 PM »
Thats a great painting. Tell me, is that the entire painting or just a section? I would also love to have a copy of the high res version if thats possible.

Neil_Crafter

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Re: Colt, Fowler & Low
« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2008, 04:59:42 PM »
Ian
No, that is just a very small section of it, there are at least 150 R&A members plus some famous pros, Old Tom, Braid, Vardon etc in it. Just email me at neil@golfstrategies.com.au and I'll email the big file to you. Here's a small image to be going on with. You can see Colt in the far right front below the obelisk.

Ally
In 1894 I don't suppose there was any animosity between Colt and Fowler was there? Over what?

Tom, did not know Simpson was hon sec of IAGCA, wonder how we could find out more?



Tony_Muldoon

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Re: Colt, Fowler & Low
« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2008, 05:18:19 PM »
So many questions where does this picture hang and who commissioned it?  The artist? Was this his usual method it allows us to assume they are all there at once? Yet in 1894 Colt and Fowler were just good amateur golfers with no other golfing claims to fame?

Can you please post the full list of people in it?   Has anyone got the Hawtree Colt book handy? IN it he lists one particular competition with all the future architects playing in it.

1894 was the year the first committee on amateur golf was founded in the USA it evolved into the USGA.   Is MacDonald in the picture?

The Committee  on Rules was a couple of years in the future and I always felt that placed St Andrews officially at the heart of things for all golfers and not just the lucky few who played golf on their travels. Yet here they al are the 'usual suspects' at the home of golf. Great stuff.
2025 Craws Nest Tassie, Carnoustie.

Melvyn Morrow

Re: Colt, Fowler & Low
« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2008, 06:27:06 PM »
To go with the picture Neil's posted is a list which I have taken from David Joy’s book ‘The Scrapbook of Old Tom Morris’ that identifies the golfers. An extension to Neil’s original post

Neil

Never seen the colour version – history of golf in a picture – love it .

Perhaps could be a guide to spectators at the Ryder Cup showing how to react if someone misses their put.   ;) ;) ::)